Oh Oh, CellPhones Killing off Bees

13 May 2011 13:48 #1 by Nmysys
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Cell Phones Caused Mysterious Worldwide Bee Deaths, Study Finds

Published May 13, 2011

| FoxNews.com


Cellphone transmissions may be responsible for a mysterious, worldwide die off in bees that has mystified scientists.

Dr. Daniel Favre, a former biologist with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne, Switzerland, carefully placed a mobile phone underneath a beehive and then monitored the reaction of the workers.

According to a story in The Daily Mail, the bees were able to tell when the handsets were making and receiving calls. They responded by making the high pitched squeaks that usually signal the start of swarming.

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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/13/cell-phones-caused-mysterious-worldwide-bee-deaths-study-finds/#ixzz1MGPNeiiC

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13 May 2011 16:59 #2 by ScienceChic
Not quite.

From the Daily Mail article that Fox News cited:

The study did not show that mobile phones were deadly for bees, he said. British bee expert Norman Carreck of Sussex University said: 'It's an interesting study but it doesn't prove that mobile phones are responsible for colony collapse disorder. If you physically knock a hive, or open one up to examine it, it has the same result.

'And in America many cases of colony collapse disorder have taken place in remote areas far from any mobile phone signals.'

And that's saying it nicely.

Here's an informal review of the paper: http://membracid.wordpress.com/2011/05/ ... l-no-link/
Bees, CCD, and Cell phones: Still no Link.
May 12, 2011 — Bug Girl

Once again, the media is going bonkers over a bee paper, and making claims way out of proportion to any actual results. Here are some sample headlines:
Cellphones cause bees to swarm and die
Phone signals confuse bees and cause them to fly erratically before suddenly dying
It’s official–cell phones are killing bees
When you look at the actual paper, you notice two things immediately:

1. There were NO dying bees. At all.

Seriously, the words ‘die’, ‘killed’, and ‘dying’ don’t even occur in the paper.

2. The design of the experiments are questionable; the results are kinda interesting, but they are not linked to CCD in any way, shape, or form.

Like earlier papers that caused a big kerfuffle in the media, when you actually examine the research you find that there are some serious methodology questions. And a lot of distortion of the results. It’s reporting by press release.

Let’s pick this paper apart and look at why it is not the Beepocalypse that some media have claimed.
Even though the phones were–literally–on top of the hive, it wasn’t until they had been transmitting for over 30 minutes before an effect was recorded. The effect was that the bees began piping (a really cool rhythmic buzzy sound). It is true that piping bees are related to swarms; however, bees pipe for a lot of other reasons too. If you bump into a hive, bees will pipe. It’s something they do when they are disturbed.

It’s important to note that no alteration of behavior (swarming or otherwise) other than piping was actually observed, even after 20 hours of exposure to active mobile phone headsets. The swarming and dying part was completely made up.

The immediate critique that occurs to me is that a cell phone transmitting for over an hour will heat up. If a hot, noisy object is on top of a bee hive, I think it is reasonable to expect the bees to react. That effect may have no relationship with cell phone transmission or magnetic fields at all.

It is, frankly, difficult for me to say much about this paper besides negative things, because it is entirely made up of un-replicated experiments. It was a “pilot study”. As a reviewer, I would not have approved this paper in it’s present form, simply because it is so difficult to figure out just what the methodology was!!

I can’t even say how often the piping occurred because no statistics are presented.


Here's the actual study: http://inthesenewtimes.com/2011/05/06/m ... er-piping/

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13 May 2011 17:48 #3 by Rockdoc
In reading the paper it was not evident exactly where the phone was with respect to the hive. It seems the reviewer has taken a few liberties in reporting the phone location. Heat radiation and therefore a suspected cause for disturbance is assumed. And what is wrong with reporting a pilot study? As a reviewer you can raise objections to methodology, question the validity of results and ask for further clarification. It seems to me that the informal review is a rather pompous debauching without ever being specific. If you are such a great researcher, certainly you could have presented alternatives that would have better met the experimental aims.

Personally I found the paper interesting even if the experimental design was akin to an overstatement. If you are trying to access the impact of normal cellular telephone communication, distance from hive is a critical experimental design component. That distance ought to reflect an average of those found naturally. As this was not the case, this pilot study produced results that are akin to seeing what the side affects of a drug are by administering massive doses, a practice known not to give reliable results.

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13 May 2011 17:53 #4 by UNDER MODERATION
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Yeah Navy! Stop attacking the poor cell phone industry with that crazy, leftwing funded junk science.....

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13 May 2011 21:00 #5 by navycpo7

Vice Lord wrote: Yeah Navy! Stop attacking the poor cell phone industry with that crazy, leftwing funded junk science.....


You better look again or you can use my glasses, Where did anyone in the Navy or listed with Navy say anything about cell phones. Hell we use them in our battlegroups at sea. So try getting it right.

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13 May 2011 21:05 #6 by Rockdoc

navycpo7 wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: Yeah Navy! Stop attacking the poor cell phone industry with that crazy, leftwing funded junk science.....


You better look again or you can use my glasses, Where did anyone in the Navy or listed with Navy say anything about cell phones. Hell we use them in our battlegroups at sea. So try getting it right.


Consider the source. Enough said.

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14 May 2011 11:48 #7 by Nmysys

Cellphone transmissions may be responsible for a mysterious, worldwide die off in bees that has mystified scientists.


SC:

Don't shoot the messenger!

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14 May 2011 12:18 #8 by UNDER MODERATION
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Rockdoc Franz wrote:

navycpo7 wrote:

Vice Lord wrote: Yeah Navy! Stop attacking the poor cell phone industry with that crazy, leftwing funded junk science.....


You better look again or you can use my glasses, Where did anyone in the Navy or listed with Navy say anything about cell phones. Hell we use them in our battlegroups at sea. So try getting it right.


Consider the source. Enough said.



NavyCop-I was joking

good post, and I fully expected the rightwingnuts to rush to the defense of the poor battered cell phone industry

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14 May 2011 12:22 #9 by UNDER MODERATION
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Rockdoc Franz wrote: In reading the paper it was not evident exactly where the phone was with respect to the hive. It seems the reviewer has taken a few liberties in reporting the phone location. Heat radiation and therefore a suspected cause for disturbance is assumed. And what is wrong with reporting a pilot study? As a reviewer you can raise objections to methodology, question the validity of results and ask for further clarification. It seems to me that the informal review is a rather pompous debauching without ever being specific. If you are such a great researcher, certainly you could have presented alternatives that would have better met the experimental aims.

Personally I found the paper interesting even if the experimental design was akin to an overstatement. If you are trying to access the impact of normal cellular telephone communication, distance from hive is a critical experimental design component. That distance ought to reflect an average of those found naturally. As this was not the case, this pilot study produced results that are akin to seeing what the side affects of a drug are by administering massive doses, a practice known not to give reliable results.


Oh indoobatabley!

Oh brother...did anybody read this load of horsesh**? He breaks down the study for us...ha ha ha ha :blahblah:

Social Skills Rockdoc....Look into them.

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14 May 2011 12:39 #10 by UNDER MODERATION
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Rockdoc, did you just grow a beard or somethin..you are exceptionaly full of yourself lately

I think you got a sevre case of Nymisisitis
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