What Facebook Is Hiding From You

25 May 2011 18:56 #1 by ScienceChic
I saw this on Facebook this morning (ironic!), and immediately shared it with the quote "I'm grateful for all of my conservative friends who provide balance for me", but it's not just balance, it's radically different viewpoints as well. Not to beat a dead horse, but I appreciate that 285Bound's main filter is that most who join are people who prefer living in the mountains, but otherwise doesn't have a filter for political affiliation, sex, age, religion, etc., other than the factors that influence the type of people who are likely to live here. But as Communities Bound expands, and we link to more sites across the country, even that filter will diminish.

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What Facebook Is Hiding From You
In their online lives, most people are shielded from viewpoints that do not mesh with their own, making it difficult to build the diverse coalitions that lead to real change.
May 24, 2011

Eli Pariser's new book The Filter Bubble: What the Internet Is Hiding from You Amazon link is a must-read for pretty much anyone who uses the Internet. Eli breaks down troubling trends emerging in the World Wide Web that threaten not only individual privacy but also the very idea of civic space.

Of key concern to Eli is "web personalization": code that maps the algorithms of your individual web use and helps you more easily find the things that the code "thinks" will pique your interest. Whatever the benefits, the intent of these services isn't just to benevolently help us find the things we're looking for. They're also designed to help companies find unwitting customers. When you open your web browser to shop for a product—or really for any other reason—you yourself are a product whose personal information is literally being sold. Companies that you know, like Google and Facebook, and companies you've probably never heard of (e.g. Acxiom) are using increasingly sophisticated programs to map your personality.

And it's not just creepiness and individual privacy that's at issue here. Personalization is also adding to a civic crisis. It's one thing for code to help us find music, movies and other consumer products we like. But what about when code also feeds us our preferred news and political opinions, shielding us from alternative viewpoints? Personalization now means that you and your Republican uncle will see dramatically different results when you run the same exact Google news search. You're both likely to see results that come from news sources that you prefer — sources that tend to reinforce your existing opinions. Maybe your search will pull articles from NPR and Huffington Post, while his will spotlight stories from FOX News. Both of you will have your biases and worldviews fed back to you — typically without even being aware that your news feed has been personalized.

This filter bubble impacts everyone. And it poses big challenges for grassroots activists and organizers in particular. It's fun and validating to see a lot of stuff you agree with. But consider the implications. People who are opposed to gay marriage are seeing a lot of articles that reinforce their beliefs too. And, perhaps more important, folks who aren't that interested in the issue probably won't see anything about it at all.

Furthermore, even if you think you're right about all your beliefs, how are you going to be equipped to persuade others if you're not exposed to their views?

I don't know of any mass movement in the history of the world that was composed of all self-selecting individuals (at least no movement that lasted longer than a flash). It only became a movement when these and other good leaders helped to move whole communities—most notably black churches and schools—into action as communities. Membership in these communities came to imply movement participation. This is how movements become movements.

For the past four decades or so we've been rearranging our lives to surround ourselves with people who think a lot like we do — phasing out folks who don't share our opinions and tastes. We've chosen our neighborhoods, religious congregations, civic and political organizations, the cultural spaces we frequent, and our friendship circles so that we can experience our worldview reflected back to us and minimize dissonance. With or without web personalization, it makes sense that we would continue to follow the same pattern in our online communities.

What do we, as a small, self-selecting, self-segregating group of folks have the capacity to accomplish — if we're not connecting with others?


And much, much more (4 pages total - there's even a couple of paragraphs on if you're a global warming activist and what it means for you. <chuckle>).

This should be of special interest to members of the Tea Party - how can a grassroots activist organization grow, and convince others of their message.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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25 May 2011 19:06 #2 by LOL
SC, I posted this earlier. <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href=" 285bound.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11087 " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11087<!-- l -->

Its not just facebook, its google, and all search sites.

I don't like it and I always run Firefox and auto- clear cookies every session. Makes it a pain to always login though.

I don't like no stinkin computer typin ahead for me telling me what I wanna see! SOBs haha :)

And it may not be only cookies. Its google and yahoo logins, IP addresses, and Cookies, Oh my!

If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2

Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.

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25 May 2011 19:49 #3 by ScienceChic
D'oh! Sorry 'bout that! Usually I'm good about seeing all the threads...ohhh, that was IMHS meeting night! ;)

You're right though, it's Google, news sites, etc. You are above and beyond on diligence deleting your cookies every time Joe!

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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26 May 2011 07:41 #4 by FredHayek
I think Facebook would get really confused tracking me since I have multiple accounts under aliases.
lol , watch, one day the IRS will send me a big refund check for all these dependents.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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26 May 2011 08:03 #5 by Rockdoc
It matters little what fb does as my news source is not there or any one web site. Online newspapers are available from around the world and together they provide a much broader and less biased perspective.

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10 Dec 2011 10:13 #6 by ScienceChic
http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... ssing.html
Furious at Facebook Again!
When a man tried to return my lost laptop, Facebook hid his messages from me. How come?
By Elizabeth Weingarten|Posted Friday, Dec. 9, 2011

On Nov. 15 at approximately 11:45 p.m., I left my 1-month-old MacBook Air in the back of a New York City cab. Quickly realizing my error, I freaked out: Hands shaking, I dialed the city’s Taxi and Limousine Commission, reported the cab’s medallion number (I had a receipt) and jotted down the phone number of city precincts where my cargo could end up (if a good Samaritan turned it in). I tracked down the cab driver; he claimed he never found it. A week later, I reluctantly purchased a new laptop. And that was that.

Until today, when a colleague at Slate sent an email around about the messages Facebook hides in an obscure folder labeled “Other.”

When I did just this, I inhaled sharply: A man had sent me four very important messages: two on Nov. 16, one on the 17th, and another on the 18th.


After reading this, I clicked on the Messages button and found 25 unread Other messages. Mine were all unimportant, but you never know...

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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10 Dec 2011 10:21 #7 by CinnamonGirl
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Yeah, I posted something similar with a on [url=http://www.ahwbound.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]www.ahwbound.com[/url] this morning and checked. I had a bunch of messages I knew nothing about.

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10 Dec 2011 10:26 #8 by Mtn Gramma
I just checked mine -- there's only one in "other" and it's from 285Bound on June 3! Who would have thought???

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10 Dec 2011 10:30 #9 by UNDER MODERATION
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Mtn Gramma wrote: I just checked mine -- there's only one in "other" and it's from 285Bound on June 3! Who would have thought???


Good morning MG!

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10 Dec 2011 18:53 #10 by The Boss

Rockdoc Franz wrote: It matters little what fb does as my news source is not there or any one web site. Online newspapers are available from around the world and together they provide a much broader and less biased perspective.


Rockdoc, everything you said only means there is that much more of a rich personality profile on you..and that more international companies and governments have it.

I am not sure where I read it, but some obscure tech magazine, but they had proof that you are being tracked by many firms using far more than IP addresses and IP's used. They did experiments where indivuals where asked to use different computers...say one in an office in LA and another in a Hotel in NV. They did not doing any logging in to sites, nothing that would specifically ID them. The cashes of these computers were examined and they found identifiers in page code that were extremely specific about the users that went there. Essentially Huffposts assigned something like ARpli87@!#isssk65s to you when you go in LA....and then somehow they figure out it is you when you go again from another source...that same random code is found when you go to Huffpost again in that NV hotel, you still never logged in, when someone else does the same thing, they get a different, but unique to them number/code. They believed it had to do with a iterative algorythem where it starts with a list of all known users. Only one or two sites visited wont do it, but a few more will narrow things down greatly. Then the speed at which you type or the patterns of mouse sweeping narrow it down further..other people and associations that used that computer before,etc. . Now if you have ever logged into a site, forget about it, they now associate these and many other patterns, including the shopping and stuff you already thought about, with you and your name, address and all other real attributes that are already in 100's of places on the web, even if you never used it before yesterday. Then if you ever log onto two sites at once or in sequence of if there are data sharing or associations between the two, your alternative signitures are shared and your ID can be known. Some of the stuff they could figure out, some of it was a complete mystery, how such a specific identifier could be narrowed down.

Wish I had a link. It just makes me think we could fix the PO by letting them open letters and sell the info, like we let every company we interact with on the internet to do, it would only be fair.

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