archer wrote: hmmmmm....it does seem that growing government is OK as long as that growth caters to the conservatives. I'm one of those progressives that thinks government intrusion into my personal life is not progress.......my words to government....butt out of my life.....
LadyJazzer wrote: So, when it's "publicly funded education" it's not a form of "welfare"?
What other "publicly funded" endeavors escape the "welfare" list...according to you? I'm just trying to figure how you arbitrarily decide what things you are FOR that are OK to publicly-fund, and which ones are not... It seems that if you "say it is", then it is; and if you "say it's not", then it's not... So, how far does the hypocrisy go?
Interesting...
If you're going to play the "publicly funded" = "Welfare" card, the least you could do is be consistent.....................................Nah....
It is consistent LJ, you just refuse to see it. That which is provided to all regardless of income is not charity. That which is provided only to those with little or no income is. Regardless of whether I make 240K a year or 24K a year, my access to the roads is the same, as is the access to the publicly funded schools. That goes for libraries, parks, snow removal, police and fire protection and a host of other programs payed for out of the taxes levied and collected by the government. When you start supplementing the individual welfare of the person based solely on their income level at taxpayer expense, then we are talking public charity. There is indeed a difference that you, for whatever reason, refuse to see. Perhaps you are just being a PIA today, I know you are intelligent enough to comprehend the difference between public education overall and free/reduced lunches for only a certain segment of the population in the publicly financed schools.
Perhaps it's because I see your libertarian, "Sovereign Citizen", "compassionate conservatism", "I've-got-mine-screw you" sociopathic belief system as the total hypocritical fraud for what it is.
Where’s your sense of humanity? That Christian love and concern for your fellow man? Where’s your patriotism? Oh, I know, you struggled, taking whatever job you could find; raised your children without the benefit of food stamps or welfare. And if you could do it so can everyone else. Why should your taxes pay to support someone who isn’t willing to make the same level of sacrifice? For the same reasons millions contribute to education who are no longer in school or whose children have long since graduated. For the same reason taxes subsidize baseball even though most people will never attend a game. For the same reason your taxes are diverted to the tornado victims in Alabama and the flood victims in Tennessee. Because the government functions for the common good of all its citizens.
PrintSmith wrote: I think Benjamin Franklin would find it entirely consistent with his philosophy, as would Thomas Jefferson, as would Madison, Monroe, Washington and perhaps even Adams.
You can't possibly imagine how much I don't give a sh** what you think Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Washington, and/or Adams would think about it... We're not living in the 1700's or 1800's any more. And there's 220+ years of settled law (which you conveniently choose to ignore) between them and us.
Yeap, archer & MsMAM, you got it "BUTT OUT OF MY LIFE" WE AGREE!!!!
That (of course) would include, not stealing my hard earned money to provide druggies to use said stolen money to buy said drugs, correct?
That would include MASSIVE reforms to ALL SOCIAL PROGRAMS? Correct? SEE WE AGREE!!!!
YOU'VE BOTH SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!!!
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Simple solution. If you seek charity from a church or a person, expect a sermon or some form of work in trade. If you want a handout from Uncle Sam, expect some accountability as the tax payer purse strings tighten.
TPP wrote: Yeap, archer & MsMAM, you got it "BUTT OUT OF MY LIFE" WE AGREE!!!!
That (of course) would include, not stealing my hard earned money to provide druggies to use said stolen money to buy said drugs, correct?
That would include MASSIVE reforms to ALL SOCIAL PROGRAMS? Correct? SEE WE AGREE!!!!
YOU'VE BOTH SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
TPP - I have always thought that. It's not that I have recently seen the light. Honestly - I bet we are not that far off in politics I bet. Viking and I (except for a couple of points) have very similar politics as well. We just don't agree on how it should be implemented.
TPP wrote: Yeap, archer & MsMAM, you got it "BUTT OUT OF MY LIFE" WE AGREE!!!!
That (of course) would include, not stealing my hard earned money to provide druggies to use said stolen money to buy said drugs, correct?
That would include MASSIVE reforms to ALL SOCIAL PROGRAMS? Correct? SEE WE AGREE!!!!
YOU'VE BOTH SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
TPP - I have always thought that. It's not that I have recently seen the light. Honestly - I bet we are not that far off in politics I bet. Viking and I (except for a couple of points) have very similar politics as well. We just don't agree on how it should be implemented.
LadyJazzer wrote: You can't possibly imagine how much I don't give a sh** what you think Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Washington, and/or Adams would think about it... We're not living in the 1700's or 1800's any more. And there's 220+ years of settled law (which you conveniently choose to ignore) between them and us.
I imagine it's about on par with what I think of your opinions. jmc asked me a direct question and I gave him a direct answer. If you don't give a sh** what I think, don't read what I write. Pretty simple solution. I know I skip over a fair number of your posts mostly because I don't give a sh** what you think a good portion of the time and I don't want to enter your anger driven existence by reading your venom filled offerings. You want to get nasty and vulgar my friend, we can do that, but you won't appreciate being on the receiving end of what you are dishing out. We can have a discussion or we can simply swap insults - I'm good either way.
LadyJazzer wrote: You can't possibly imagine how much I don't give a sh** what you think Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Washington, and/or Adams would think about it...
We're not living in the 1700's or 1800's any more. And there's 220+ years of settled law (which you conveniently choose to ignore) between them and us.
And thus the problem! With Leftist! Read and be enlightened.
EDITED: Start with that pasky thing written in the 1700's called the CONSTITUTION, than maybe THE BILL OF RIGHTS
And it still stands: We're not living in the 1700's or 1800's any more. And there's 220+ years of settled law (which you conveniently choose to ignore) between them and us. While the interesting-but-irrelevant writings of the beatified "Founding Fathers" is worshiped by some, the fact of the matter is that we are governed by the laws of TODAY...Not those of the 1700/1800's... So, feel free to keep regurgitating them; and I will feel free to keep pointing out that they are "interesting", but not codified law today. We are NOT governed by the Declaration of Independence, or the Pledge of Allegiance, or anything else but the Constitution. And what the "original framers of the Constitution" may have thought, or written about is "interesting", there 's STILL 220+ years of settled law that determines what it is today...And that's a fact.
