Freedom of speech and assembly?

MsMAM wrote: I have been reading a lot where the tea baggers are advocating revolution. Interesting that they advocate treason against their own country.

I personally prefer to work within legal guidelines to invoke a peaceful change. Thinking about it, as an example, MLK led a successful revolution. As a US citizen, I could and would never advocate taking arms against my own country. I may think things are bad sometimes, but this is still the greatest country on earth. I am blessed to live here. Advocating an armed resistance is someone forcing their ideals on me that may be contrary to my principles. You would find I would take arms against anyone trying to overthrow my country.

Thomas Jefferson must have been a teabagger too Mam -

I see, as do you, and with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that too, by constructions which, if legitimate, leave no limits to their power. Take together the decisions of the federal court, the doctrines of the President, and the misconstructions of the constitutional compact acted on by the legislature of the federal branch, and it is but too evident, that the three ruling branches of that department are in combination to strip their colleagues, the State authorities, of the powers reserved to them, and to exercise themselves all functions foreign and domestic..........Under the authority to establish post roads, they claim that of cutting down mountains for the construction of roads, of digging canals and aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare", a right to do, not only the acts to effect that, which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think, or pretend will be for the general welfare. And what is our resource for the preservation of the constitution? Reason and argument? You might as well reason and argue with the marble columns encircling them. The representatives chosen by ourselves? They are joined in the combination, some from incorrect views of the government, some from corrupt ones, sufficient voting together to out-number the sound parts; and with majorities only of one, two, or three, bold enough to go forward in defiance. Are we then to stand to arms with the hot-headed Georgian? No. That must be the last resource, not to be thought of until much longer and greater sufferings. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of the Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation. But in the meanwhile, the States should be watchful to note every material usurpation of their rights; to denounce them as they occur in the most peremptory terms; to protest against them as wrongs to which our present submission shall be considered, not as acknowledgments or precedents of right, but as a temporary yielding to the lesser evil, until their accumulation shall overweigh that of separation.

Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William Giles on December 26, 1825

I can't really say I know what you are driving too, PS. I, as well, want smaller government, and I am certainly not a tea bagger.

I am dismayed by the movement on the right to hate speech against everyone who doesn't share their extremist ideology. These teapartiers moved into the Republican party and call themselves conservatives when they are anything but. They advocate against their country, against their government and against their fellow citizens. They made me so ashamed that I was forced to renounce my Republican affiliation. I know I am not the only one. I thnk they use politics as an excuse for their hatefulness. I hope liberals know that real conservatives don't think this way. We think you guys are foolish, sentimental, naive and profligate, but we love you anyway.

chickaree wrote: I am dismayed by the movement on the right to hate speech against everyone who doesn't share their extremist ideology. These teapartiers moved into the Republican party and call themselves conservatives when they are anything but. They advocate against their country, against their government and against their fellow citizens. They made me so ashamed that I was forced to renounce my Republican affiliation. I know I am not the only one. I thnk they use politics as an excuse for their hatefulness. I hope liberals know that real conservatives don't think this way. We think you guys are foolish, sentimental, naive and profligate, but we love you anyway.

Nice!

chickaree, look up "hate speech." It says race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or other characteristic. Where is the hate speech? Do you consider wanting smaller and more efficient government hate speech? When I speak of the US, its our country, not "my" country. When I speak against someone its because of their twisted ideals. When I realized what BS the Left spewed, I found the truth in the Libertarian Party and their principles. Two things always kept liberals from following the Libertarian principles, they are responsibiilty and accountability. The Left wants no part of either of those things.

chickaree wrote: I hope liberals know that real conservatives don't think this way.

Nether do real tea party people.

neptunechimney wrote:

chickaree wrote: I hope liberals know that real conservatives don't think this way.

Nether do real tea party people.

neptunechimney wrote:

chickaree wrote: I hope liberals know that real conservatives don't think this way.

Nether do real tea party people.

How can one tell who is a "real" tea party person and who is not?

archer wrote:

neptunechimney wrote:

chickaree wrote: I hope liberals know that real conservatives don't think this way.

Nether do real tea party people.

How can one tell who is a "real" tea party person and who is not?

They drink tea?

chickaree made a broad and grossly inaccurate generalization. I made another. The truth is that it is a diverse bunch.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=78481
"Lolita Mancheno-Smoak, an immigrant from Ecuador who once dreamed of becoming her country’s president, has found an unlikely home in the tea party movement.
When she launched her campaign for county school board last week at Brion’s Grille in Fairfax, Va., she was not alone — flanked by immigrants from Europe, Asia and Latin America who have joined tea party groups in the face of unrelenting criticism that the movement is isolationist and anti-immigrant. <- – - - so says the lamestream media.

Mancheno-Smoak, who started attending tea party meetings in February, is one of several immigrants running for local office in Virginia under the tea party banner.

Tito Muñoz, a Colombian immigrant who owns a construction company and won the nickname “Tito the Builder” as a vocal supporter of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008, is running for Virginia Senate. Jo-Ann Chase, a Puerto Rican, says she is the first Latina candidate for a state House seat.

In Northern Virginia, many of the immigrants who have gravitated to the tea party have roots in socialist countries and are intensely afraid that the U.S. is headed down the same path. They embrace the tea party’s small government, socially conservative messages and say the only immigration they are for is the legal kind. They don’t bat an eye when it comes to the movement’s tough anti-illegal-immigrant rhetoric."

HEARTLESS wrote: chickaree, look up "hate speech." It says race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or other characteristic. Where is the hate speech? Do you consider wanting smaller and more efficient government hate speech? When I speak of the US, its our country, not "my" country. When I speak against someone its because of their twisted ideals. When I realized what BS the Left spewed, I found the truth in the Libertarian Party and their principles. Two things always kept liberals from following the Libertarian principles, they are responsibiilty and accountability. The Left wants no part of either of those things.

The hate speech you use disparages everyone to the left of you.

HEARTLESS wrote: I'll make it clear. If I found an injured Lefty in the street, I would use my ass as smelling salts by rubbing it on their face. I would never even consider dragging my bag on their face.

This is hate speech. Either own it, or stop it. Pretending this kind of discourse is anything other than destructive shows nothing but ignorance.