Freedom of speech and assembly?

02 Jun 2011 12:00 #1 by archer
How can he reconcile these two points of view?

The irony runs deep when it comes to Senator Rand Paul and the renewal of the Patriot Act. The staunch defender of the Constitution, Paul spoke out against the law last week, saying it infringed upon civil liberties.

But while discussing his opposition to the bill on a radio show last Friday, he inadvertently called for criminalizing those who attend "radical political speeches":

"I’m not for profiling people on the color of their skin, or on their religion, but I would take into account where they've been traveling and perhaps, you might have to indirectly take into account whether or not they’ve been going to radical political speeches by religious leaders. It wouldn’t be that they are Islamic," said the Libertarian from Kentucky. "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after — they should be deported or put in prison."

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/ ... -attendees

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02 Jun 2011 12:18 #2 by BearMtnHIB
Senator Rand Paul was the only one who spoke out against the patriot act. For all the whining we got against bush- it seems Bush was not hardly involved at all in the latest vote.

Rand gets my admiration on that count.

And it seems to me that violent overthrow of our government is a god given right according to our constitution- and I think he got that one wrong.

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02 Jun 2011 12:36 #3 by FredHayek
Rand Paul does often speak before he thinks. I wonder if he wants that one back.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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02 Jun 2011 13:04 #4 by Something the Dog Said

BearMtnHIB wrote: Senator Rand Paul was the only one who spoke out against the patriot act. For all the whining we got against bush- it seems Bush was not hardly involved at all in the latest vote.

Rand gets my admiration on that count.

And it seems to me that violent overthrow of our government is a god given right according to our constitution- and I think he got that one wrong.



Why the lies? Sen. Mark Udall, Democrat from Colorado, spoke out against and voted against the renewal of the misnamed Patriot Act

Where in the Constitution does it give you the "god given right" to act on your sociopathic tendencies to commit violence against others who do not agree with your political views?

"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown

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02 Jun 2011 13:20 #5 by LadyJazzer

Something the Dog Said wrote:

BearMtnHIB wrote: Senator Rand Paul was the only one who spoke out against the patriot act. For all the whining we got against bush- it seems Bush was not hardly involved at all in the latest vote.

Rand gets my admiration on that count.

And it seems to me that violent overthrow of our government is a god given right according to our constitution- and I think he got that one wrong.



Why the lies? Sen. Mark Udall, Democrat from Colorado, spoke out against and voted against the renewal of the misnamed Patriot Act

Where in the Constitution does it give you the "god given right" to act on your sociopathic tendencies to commit violence against others who do not agree with your political views?


I'm STILL wondering about that..........?!? It seems to be a recurring theme...(read: nightmare)

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02 Jun 2011 13:32 #6 by BearMtnHIB

I'm STILL wondering about that..........?!? It seems to be a recurring theme...(read: nightmare)


Here LJ- I don't want you to "wonder" forever.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln
-- First Inaugural Address - March 4th, 1861

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02 Jun 2011 13:35 #7 by Something the Dog Said

BearMtnHIB wrote:

I'm STILL wondering about that..........?!? It seems to be a recurring theme...(read: nightmare)


Here LJ- I don't want you to "wonder" forever.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln
-- First Inaugural Address - March 4th, 1861



Where in the Constitution is this power that you alleged was in the Constitution? Where did Abraham Lincoln advocate the use of the violence that you advocate?

"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown

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02 Jun 2011 13:41 #8 by LadyJazzer
Nice speech... But like Dog, I'm still wondering where that appears in the Constitution?

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02 Jun 2011 13:45 #9 by BearMtnHIB

In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty, variously stated throughout history, of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests. Belief in this right extends back to ancient China, and it has been used throughout history to justify various rebellions, including the American Revolution and the French Revolution.


As the American Declaration of Independence in 1776 expressed it, natural law taught that the people were “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” and could alter or abolish government “destructive” of those rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_revolution#The_Right_of_Revolution_as_an_individual_or_collective_right

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02 Jun 2011 13:47 #10 by LadyJazzer
We don't live under the "Declaration of Independence"... We live under the Constitution... We're still waiting for the Constitutional justification for the sociopathic behavior you seem to think is acceptable...

Let us know when you find it.

...Or are you another one of those "Sovereign Citizen" wingnuts?

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