How to die in Oregon.

07 Jun 2011 12:41 #1 by CinnamonGirl
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I started watching this on HBO and got so upset I had to turn it off. Assisted suicide is disgusting in my view. I don't know how these people can help them and live with their decision.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1715802/

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07 Jun 2011 12:50 #2 by LadyJazzer
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Perhaps you should ask the people who are in such pain and in the last stages of some debilitating disease who are begging to be released from their suffering before you blame those who are helping them. If I were in a position to assist someone like that, I would live very well with my decision to help them, thank you...

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07 Jun 2011 12:52 #3 by CinnamonGirl
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Big surprise.

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07 Jun 2011 12:55 #4 by LadyJazzer
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Big surprise that someone else who has no vested interest in the outcome other than imposing their particular moralistic/religious view on them would rather see them suffer and deny them what they request, rather than accommodate their wishes.

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07 Jun 2011 12:59 #5 by CinnamonGirl
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LJ, Bite me. Just because I think different from you does not mean I am putting my moralistic/religious (I am not religious at all) views on anyone. I was saying how I FELT. Emotion. It has nothing to do with party lines or anything beside feelings.

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07 Jun 2011 14:43 #6 by 2wlady
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CG, your questions are answered in the program. Watch the entire thing.

One guy wanted to die with dignity but he lived in Washington state. To establish residency in Oregon would have taken too long for him. He had a brain cancer. His dying wish to his wife was to work on the same type of law passed in Washington. She made good on her promise to him.

Cody Curtis was in horrible pain with liver cancer. Her abdomen kept filling with fluid. That is one of the most painful ways to die. And she had to wear a support device because of all the fluid. As her bile ducts kept clogging, she was in excruciating pain. She couldn't take a deep or even a medium breath because of the fluid. Yes, they would take out liters of fluid but it kept coming back. Finally, she was in so much pain she decided to take the medicine. She was trying to hold out until Christmas, but she just couldn't. In fact, when she was told she had six months to live, she planned her death for May. But she had a remission and she actually had some hope that she would live 20 more years, even though she knew she wouldn't. She asked her oncologist to be there. The camera crew was outside the house, with a mike in the bedroom. Cody died at home, with her family around her. She went to sleep and never woke. Her choice was to continue living in excruciating pain that could not be controlled or die when she simply had enough.

One man had throat cancer. He had a beautiful voice which was his life's work and career. He refused surgery. He did not want to lose his voice. He went to a recording studio and recorded his last words to his family and friends. He did not use the medication to die.

Most people who get the medication never take it. Some wait too long and cannot administer it to themselves. Others decide not to hurry their deaths.

The bottom line here is that most people do not opt for assisted death. When one is dying, I believe the choice to live or die at a time of their choosing is THEIR choice, not anyone else's.

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07 Jun 2011 15:04 #7 by CinnamonGirl
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I do not agree with assisted suicide and let me explain why.

I could maybe go for it if death were eminent (very eminent). But helping someone that is depressed kill themselves is a big problem for me. The one guy got it ahead of time just in case. Letting people get that prescription before he made a decision are you kidding me. You really think keeping something like that in your home is safe? Depressed people do not think rationally. What happens if he has a bad night and just takes it. There were very few controls on this process.

This is now a cultural thing to let people choose. Opening a huge door. I use the same argument when discussing capital punishment. We as humans do not have the knowledge to pull this off correctly. I guarantee we have put innocent people to death in this country.

I thought that the gal in the video "helping" was not that neutral.

Now you may have the argument that we do it for animals. That is COMPLETELY different. Animals do not have the faculties to know what is about to happen to them. And I for one would never put my animal down before they were truly very ill and death was eminent either.

I have other reasons but disagree with how this is being done. It is sick. Sorry but that is how I feel. And you cannot change my mind on it. I can maybe go for doing something like this within hours or maybe a day knowing someone is in severe pain, but that is it. And you could also see how much harder this was for their families. I am willing to stake alot to say that their families will always wonder. I have felt that way when I have had to put down animals. The right time was heart-wrenching.

Death is difficult but I truly believe not letting it run it's course is hurtful. I am not saying anyone has to have my beliefs but as a country and a culture I am in no way ready for these kinds of decisions to be made and to be 'helped' with. I am stating my opinion.

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07 Jun 2011 15:19 #8 by PrintSmith
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Let alone the slippery slope of having the state "help you" reach the decision in addition to "helping you" perform the act as they become more and more involved in providing the care you will need and balancing the needs of the many against the best interests of the individual and factoring in how much money is in the coffers.

Logan's Run anyone? Soylent Green perhaps?

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07 Jun 2011 15:23 #9 by JMC
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CinnamonGirl wrote: I do not agree with assisted suicide and let me explain why.

I could maybe go for it if death were eminent (very eminent). But helping someone that is depressed kill themselves is a big problem for me. The one guy just in case. You really think keeping something like that in your home is safe? Depressed people do not think rationally. What happens if he has a bad night and just takes it. There were very few controls on this process.

This is now a cultural thing to let people choose. Opening a huge door. I use the same argument when discussing capital punishment. We as humans do not have the knowledge to pull this off correctly. I guarantee we have put innocent people to death in this country.

I thought that the gal in the video "helping" was not that neutral.

Now you may have the argument that we do it for animals. That is COMPLETELY different. Animals do not have the faculties to know what is about to happen to them. And I for one would never put my animal down before they were truly very ill and death was eminent either.

I have other reasons but disagree with how this is being done. It is sick. Sorry but that is how I feel. And you cannot change my mind on it. I can maybe go for doing something like this within hours or maybe a day knowing someone is in severe pain, but that is it. And you could also see how much harder this was for their families. I am willing to stake alot to say that their families will always wonder. I have felt that way when I have had to put down animals. The right time was heart-wrenching.

Death is difficult but I truly believe not letting it run it's course is hurtful. I am not saying anyone has to have my beliefs but as a country and a culture I am in no way ready for these kinds of decisions to be made and to be 'helped' with. I am stating my opinion.

You misunderstand the laws. depression is not a valid reason for assisted suicide. We are talking making a rational adult decision about how we want our lives to end and if I want help I should have it.. It should only be up to the rational, aware, individual. Not anyone else. Seems so simple.

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07 Jun 2011 15:38 #10 by ComputerBreath
I made the choice in my will to have me taken off life support if all the requirements are met for that to happen. I do not believe my grieving family should have to decide if I live by artificial means.

It was very difficult to watch my father suffer through cancer and I do not want to put my kids through that.

Each to his own...if done the correct way, I believe assisted suicide to be the humane thing to do. But each person has their own feelings, beliefs, and thoughts.

I have spoken with both of my children about this subject and they know to let me die, and they have told me the same thing.

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