towermonkey wrote: Its true my freind. We're sinking fast into a hole we won't be able to climb out of. It started when Nixon got rid of the gold standard. It continued with 9/11 and then Bush's reactive tax cuts to "stimulate" the economy. The deal was sealed with TARP and the Obama's "stimulus" that didn't stimulate anything. Couple that with the retiring baby boomers and a shrinking workforce and we're screwed. Most of the wealth of this nation has been taken by the top 0.1 %.
Without the stimulus we'd be in a full blown depression. Putting money into peoples hands that will spend it can't possibly fail..It will ALWAYS improve the economy. You see, ever since 1929 the government has pumped billions into the economy to prop it up and stabilize it. Republicans want to give it to defense contractors...Democrats wanna give it to people...People who will return every dime of it back into the economy...Either way, they are gonna pump money into the economy...Understand...Its all a matter of where it goes, to us, or to them..For 50 years they've been dividing it amongst themselves
The Viking wrote: My favorite. And it is sad because it it so true and Obama really doesn't care how bad he has screwed the next 2-3 generations of kids.
Yes, absolutely nobody else had anything to do with the situation we're in right now. It's all Obama's fault and he does not care about anybody at all.
Careful... You'll get the canned lecture about how even though it was Bush's fault, it's NOT Bush's fault... (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain... The one who got us into the Recession that began in December, 2007, and didn't end until after he was out of office; and added trillions to the debt with TWO unnecessary wars, and a $750 Billion unfunded prescription drug program; and trillions lost with unpaid for tax-cuts...[that were supposed to create more jobs, but instead lost them at a rate of 750,000/month by the time his sorry a$$ left the White House...])
The Viking wrote: :rofl I love VL's fuzzy liberal math that cuts more than we even spend. :rofl
Ah...I was joking
- but when you think about it..Isn't the CIA part of defense? Who'd they ever stop from doing anything?..What bad guys did they ever get? Isn't the NSA part of defense, the FBI, TSA, ATF, DEA... Is that defense or is do you call it security? Who needs them? Trillions of dollars to keep us safe, safe from what, pot growers? Trillions of dollars right there and it's looting by any definition.
They tried to starve government so they wouldn't have to give us any
of our money back, but if you weren't so ignorant the party would be over for them, not for us..
10 years of the Clinton tax structure and Defense cuts will kill the deficit...Cut "Security" and we could live in a utopia..The sky is not falling, they're just telling you it is
LadyJazzer wrote: Careful... You'll get the canned lecture about how even though it was Bush's fault, it's NOT Bush's fault... (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain... The one who got us into the Recession that began in December, 2007, and didn't end until after he was out of office; and added trillions to the debt with TWO unnecessary wars, and a $750 Billion unfunded prescription drug program; and trillions lost with unpaid for tax-cuts...[that were supposed to create more jobs, but instead lost them at a rate of 750,000/month by the time his sorry a$$ left the White House...])
Yep- Part of being a normal empathatic human being is knowing when to sit down and STFU. Knowing when not to offer an opinion- That time is now Republicans
Kate wrote: Yes, absolutely nobody else had anything to do with the situation we're in right now. It's all Obama's fault and he does not care about anybody at all.
Vice Lord wrote: Putting money into peoples hands that will spend it can't possibly fail..It will ALWAYS improve the economy.
So you're advocating tax cuts?
Nope..Tax the rich and the corporations, end corporate walfare, slash defense and security, and INVEST in infrastructure. And make sure the people get paid a living wage by supporting unions because the American Middle class consumer was and is the golden goose for the economy.
to say the Stimulus did'nt work is like saying you can't lose weight by starving. It can't possibly not work. Money pumped into the economy will always improve the economy. Tax cuts NEVER have..NEVER. Look up the word NEVER if you don't know what it means
I posted this on another thread. We're not so far apart I think
Like most anything, the real answer usually lies somewhere in between. I have been a proponent of cuts in SS, Medicare and Defense along with a small national sales tax, slightly higher tax rates on the over $250k club and and slightly larger tax on the over $1,000 k club. I don't happen to like SS the way that it is structured now, but to try and change it loses elections. Medicare needs to go back to pre-Bush form. Defense needs to be drastically cut back. I simply don't buy this crap about why we need to have bases all over the world acting as the world's police. If that is the case, then the rest of the world needs to pay for the services rendered. Somehow I doubt they will be interested.
I love VL's fuzzy liberal math that cuts more than we even spend. :rofl
