Police in Ga. shut down girls' lemonade stand

AspenValley wrote: Virtually all of these silly sounding regulations have been pushed into law by some big business that doesn't want competition. It's not about "nanny-minded" people misguidedly trying to "protect" people from bad lemonade, it's about big money not wanting little guys crowding their territory.

Do some research into how much money and muscle huge agri-business conglomerates are putting into keeping small farmers and backyard growers from selling their own produce and you'll see what I mean.

I heard that Haliburton could not handle the compitition so they had Dick Chaney put a call into the mayor. rofllol

AspenValley wrote: I hesitate to mention this for fear that your head might explode if a ray of truth penetrated it, but do you think those small farmers in your home town went out of business because of "nanny state" liberals or because they were forced out of business by huge agri-business mega-corporations and their political clout?

I noticed you convieniently left out factors such as inheritance taxes, acerage quotas, FDA regulations and loan guarantees from your partisan explanation. Why would that be? Clearly the intent of the laws violated are imposed as a result of federal food standards imposed under the misconception that any economic activity falls under the wannabe national government's perceived authority to regulate interstate commerce since these glasses of lemonade could affect the overall price of lemonade just as a farmer growing wheat for their own consumption could affect the market price of wheat.

I assume the same would happen if you opened around here. We have laws like this and the local gov uses them...they come from all the transplants that bitch about everything.

If a stand goes up:
1. The local authorities will shut it down outright and fine them.
2. The local businesses that are loosing business to the cute little girl will call and use their influence to get the local gov to shut it down anyway.

Most people ask for this, it is called building codes, health codes, business licenses, sales tax, etc. etc. Little girls don't get exception to these. If they pay a friend a quarter to help, they are in violation of federal, state and local labor laws, missing all kinds of insurances. If she put it up on the side of the road, she is on public property, etc. etc.

These are your rules. And when you ask for them, you have both given up most of your rights in business, but also your daughter's right to sell lemonade. Remember in CO jobs don't come from people working hard and coming up with ideas, they come from the government and their policies. This is your new world...where little girls cannot sell lemonade, and neither can you. These laws are a big reason why the economy is so poor locally and there are so many public employees not producing anything but fines.

neptunechimney wrote:

AspenValley wrote: Virtually all of these silly sounding regulations have been pushed into law by some big business that doesn't want competition. It's not about "nanny-minded" people misguidedly trying to "protect" people from bad lemonade, it's about big money not wanting little guys crowding their territory.

Do some research into how much money and muscle huge agri-business conglomerates are putting into keeping small farmers and backyard growers from selling their own produce and you'll see what I mean.

I heard that Haliburton could not handle the compitition so they had Dick Chaney put a call into the mayor. rofllol

Absolute BS, these laws are not put in place by corps, what corps pushed the Building Code in Park or the massive local regulation we have relative to most other small communities. This is about small govt power, yes big companies push for different regs, but this is about the local gov stealing both rights and money from citizens that actually produce things. Money can only be made by producing things, everyone else, office workers, govt or private, have to piggy back on this production.

There is a reason you cannot open a chainsaw shop in your neighborhood, which you can do many places in America. It is not because of big chainsaw companies, it is because of people that went to planning school in stead of forestry school and the only job they could get was taking away your rights.

I have found very few people locally that don't support and encourage the nanny state.

I'm guessing the lemonade stand was initially reported to the police by the local McDonald's manager - who simply could not stand the competition........

You joke, but you may be right, or the police that were justifying their jobs or the planning board member's sister, who was justifying her brother's job or the nanny person that just happens to know it is illegal and feels that law is above basic freedoms and rights to interact in basic commerce....this right has been slowly stripped from you...you know it sounds a lot like everyone trying to get a job vs. trying to start or keep the their business going. Perhaps someone from another town had their son killed by a tainted stand nearby and this law was really necessary, like strip searching grandmas who want to fly and pulling over anyone driving through town after 11 pm, this stuff is important.

Keep in mind that when a job is not really necessary, you need to keep coming up with things that make the job look like it is...this could look like local small governments coming up with new buildings to build all the time and making new enforcement divisions and hiring new code officers to man them....and then have weekly meetings to come up with new laws, depts and enforcers to "make our community better by design"

Again, CO communities take this stuff to the extreme, why, well because you will put up with just about anything, pay just about anything, pay just about any tax....just to be near those mountains, which you have to pay more and more each day to even walk on. I have found that communities with rules like this have this kind of problem, communities with no rules or enforcement, tend to have little or no issues. Think about it, you actually believe a good cup of coffee is worth more than a $1...and then you pay it...sometimes $5.

It's a frigin lemonade stand. The fundamental problem is not law, but a lack of good judgement. Simply stupid. There is no need to make this into a political statement about farmer going out fo business, evil local government, etc. The thread deals with kids trying to make a buck and the lack of common sense by the local police. Talk about heavy handed dimwits. I'm sure they could spend the local taxpayer money doing something more productive. then again, judging form their action, they likely have no idea of how to do that.

Speaking of lemonade. Note, this is dated Aug. 2010.

" Here’s another quote from the article that comes from a mouthpiece from the Oregon state public (un)health division:

“When you go to a public event and set up shop, you’re suddenly engaging in commerce,” he said. “The fact that you’re small-scale I don’t think is relevant.”

Commerce: the dirty word. The activity that must be overseen and engineered and regulated by the central planning class “for the good of us all.” The uneducated citizens who don’t understand anything about libertarianism often associate us with a simplistic (and violent) type of anti-governmentism. The more complex truth behind that is the fact that everything about government is coercive (coercion = force = violence). Libertarians love commerce because it is peaceful, it is voluntary, it is mutually beneficial to all parties, and ultimately, commerce is the foundation of civilization and societal well-being. To replace commerce with government planning carried out by a small class of people who think they know what is best for the rest of us is brute force against our person and property. And we libertarians reject the use of all force against others who have not trespassed against us."

http://karendecoster.com/analyzing-anar ... adism.html

I'm just going to ask all of you who doubt that stupid local regulations have anything to do with big business to do the research and see on how many fronts (yep right down to the teensy weensy local level) large agri-business conglomerates are operating to make sure that small producers can't legally sell their own produce, milk, cheese, etc.

Get back to me when you have, 'kay?

AspenValley wrote: I'm just going to ask all of you who doubt that stupid local regulations have anything to do with big business to do the research and see on how many fronts (yep right down to the teensy weensy local level) large agri-business conglomerates are operating to make sure that small producers can't legally sell their own produce, milk, cheese, etc.

Get back to me when you have, 'kay?

Sorry, I am not interesting in investing any time in trying to prove that big business cares about children's lemonade stands. Nor am I interested in proving that nanny ism exists in government mindsets.

I do agree that big business does invest in politicians to protect their profits and erect barriers to competition.

So what are we disagreeing about? What is your definition of "teensy weensy local level"?