Labor Sec Hilda Solis Pledges To Help 'Illegals' get Fair Pa

Science Chic wrote: Sorry Viking, this lib wasn't trying to ignore this thread - I was typing a response 2 hours ago but kept getting interrupted by my kids and the gas company technician! Got timed out in the middle of my post.

I would be interested in finding out of Solis made these comments of her own volition or because of a directive from above, especially before laying any blame on the White House.

No, I absolutely do NOT think we should be fighting to make sure illegals are compensated fairly. Matter of fact, I think we should be making sure we collect taxes and SS from anyone working here. And we need to be cracking down on companies who hire them. Make it less profitable for companies and workers by better tracking and enforcement. Will that hurt our economy, likely. We won't collect enough in taxes to equal the cheap labor savings, but it'll make everyone feel better, right?

I think we agree on something here. And You can't honestly believe that The Secretary of Labor would pay for and put an ad on the Department of Labor's website promoting fair pay for illegals and to contact them and they will fight for their 'rights' (Isn't Illegal Rights and oxy moron?) without Obama knowing about it and giving the OK?

So seriously, no one other that Science Chic has the courage to discuss this very important issue where this Administration is wanting to help illegal immigrants fight for higher pay with the Government's help? Right after promising to crack down on businesses who hire them?

If you look at the actual video (not the Fox regurgitate) you'll see the Labor secretary is trying to help ALL workers in the U.S. get an honest wage.

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I don't think illegals should be given jobs in the U.S. but I also don't think the U.S. could get by without them now. I also don't think if an illegal is doing the same work a citizen could do they should be paid less. You have to have a SS number to work in the U.S. They use fake SS numbers and identities to get hired. All those payroll taxes go into the government coffer and the government keeps the money.

Bright Side: If they do have to pay illegals the same wages, it might encourage more employers to hire Americans.

But...I think if employers are willing to risk the fines of hiring illegals, they are also will short pay them too. I know one contractor who used to call the INS on his own worksites before payday to avoid paying his workers.

Of course we can get by without illegals. A good well managed guest worker program would take care of that issue. You ensure the workers return to their country of origin by withholding a good portion or their pay until they are back in their own land. Or better yet chip them with an RFID chip when they cross the border to go to work.

You have to have a SS number to work in the U.S. They use fake SS numbers and identities to get hired. All those payroll taxes go into the government coffer and the government keeps the money.

That is true unless they are paid under the table, which many are. Even so those monies collected do not come anywhere close to covering the costs to us incurred by the illegal population.

Grady wrote: Of course we can get by without illegals. A good well managed guest worker program would take care of that issue. You ensure the workers return to their country of origin by withholding a good portion or their pay until they are back in their own land. Or better yet chip them with an RFID chip when they cross the border to go to work.

You have to have a SS number to work in the U.S. They use fake SS numbers and identities to get hired. All those payroll taxes go into the government coffer and the government keeps the money.

That is true unless they are paid under the table, which many are. Even so those monies collected do not come anywhere close to covering the costs to us incurred by the illegal population.

I absolutely agree with this post except for one thing, which I will get to later. This is exactly what I meant by "reform". Perhaps you have a different meaning, but, we have to have a guest worker program. It will encourage people to go back home after their work is finished without fear they will have to pay a coyote $4000 to get them back over next season and risk their lives by the dangerous crossing.

I do believe the SS and taxes that are collected by the Federal government is immense. It is the states that are picking up the tab.....thus the reason the Feds do not want the border closed.

I say - "let her do it!"

The "unfair" pay is what makes "illegal" workers so attractive to employers.

That said - what she's saying is mostly a bunch of political babble.

If employers are willing to hire "illegal" workers -- they're unlikely willing to adhere to legal working requirements.

I heard on the radio yesterday that there have already been more deportations under the Obama administration in the first 17 months than there were during Bush's entire time in office. I'm still trying to find a source to back it up since I missed the source on the air. Am also trying to find the stats on the "black hole" of SS and employment tax that Wayne mentioned that illegal immigrants do pay into the system but obviously never get back out of it. I've heard some pretty astronomical numbers but am trying to find a valid and accurate source of the true estimated amounts - any ideas?

RivendaleFarms wrote: I heard on the radio yesterday that there have already been more deportations under the Obama administration in the first 17 months than there were during Bush's entire time in office. I'm still trying to find a source to back it up since I missed the source on the air. Am also trying to find the stats on the "black hole" of SS and employment tax that Wayne mentioned that illegal immigrants do pay into the system but obviously never get back out of it. I've heard some pretty astronomical numbers but am trying to find a valid and accurate source of the true estimated amounts - any ideas?

I tried to find those figures 3 years ago when I first raised this issue as why the government will not secure the border. I doubt you will ever find them. Please post them if you do.....