I am sick of this slander. I believe I can speak for drunken sailors across the globe. I have been drunk in many of the piss pots of the world and I can assure you that while you can spend your money, you can spend your watch, you can spend your belt buckle and belt, you can even spend your pants socks and shoes, when you are buck naked, no one will advance you a peso for a beer.
LOL - I thought of you when I made the drunken sailor comment.
The Viking wrote: Mam we have talked about this. Obama and the Dems had 100% control of ALL 3 houses for 2 years and could have gotten rid of those tax cuts. But instead when they expired after complaining about them for 6 years and all the liberals in the naiton blaming them for our debt, Obama and the Democrat controlled House and Senate voted to extend them and keep them. So NOW they are Obama's tax cuts. Bush's expired!
100% control? what planet have you been living on Viking?........having a majority, even a filibuster proof majority does not equal complete control, especially when that majority includes a couple independents (they are called independents for a reason) and some blue dog democrats. Not unlike the situation in the house now...the Republicans have "complete control" of the house....yet Boehner cannot get enough Republican votes to get his plan to pass yet.
What I find so hard to understand is why any congress person would want the US to default on it's obligations......this is money already spent and the bill is due. This is money spent by Republicans and Democrats, and maybe it's time the Republicans started taking some responsibility for how we got where we are. The Democrats haven't always been in charge, and certainly Bush knew what a veto meant. I agree we need to cut spending, I agree we need to scale back on our obligations....but those are future intentions. The bill is due now and the responsible thing to do is pay it. period.
This is like some guy saying to the credit card company.....hey......we kinda over spent last year, my wife spent more than she should have, and I kinda lost track of my own spending, so even though we have $10,000 owed on your card, we're only going to pay $9,000 of it because that is our debt limit this year. Please write off the extra $1000. We'll get back to you if we ever decide to raise the limit. How well do you think that will work? And wouldn't you viking, as a conservative, say to this guy that he and his wife spent the money, they owe the money, and they should be responsible and pay the money? Let them work with a budget next year......and into the future......but pay the damn obligations they have already accumulated.
So Obama isn't the Messiah after all? Even when he had total control, he was only able to pass Obamacare and spend like crazy. If Kennedy or LBJ had those percentages in Congress and the Senate, much more would have got done, but Barack doesn't like to get his hands dirty.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
SS109 wrote: So Obama isn't the Messiah after all? Even when he had total control, he was only able to pass Obamacare and spend like crazy. If Kennedy or LBJ had those percentages in Congress and the Senate, much more would have got done, but Barack doesn't like to get his hands dirty.
Even when it is proved to you that he is NOT spending like crazy and the is just republican partisanship, you still resist. I don't know why we bother. If it is not positive to the Republicans, then you all just pretend like it isn't happening. I bet the republican party just loves you all. At least I get mad if the liberals do something I hate - like minimize my gun ownership. Not you all - you follow blindly
We need to raise the debt. We also need to slide a drain hole in all the bloated budgets and start draining the fat.
I know that the debt needs to be raised now - two reasons... Our past president started an ego war in Iraq and our current president bought Keynes load of crapola.
We need to elect fiscal conservatives from both parties. I no longer give a rat's ass about social issues. There should be no social issues being debated right now. Our emergency is financial and all energies need to be focused on fixing what past and current administrations have f***ed up.
We need to loose two attitudes - partisanship and entitlement. Nobody is 'entitled' to anything but basic human rights and the opportunity to advance their station in life. No party is better than the other, they're both full of rampant egotism and eliteist attitudes that are blinding them to their own stupidity.
It's so painfully obvious what needs to be done now, but people are still holding on to sacred cows. Screw national health care, we don't have the money for it right now. Roll PERA into the SSA. Duplicate agencies just for government employees are an unaffordable luxury. Foreign aid? Cut it. We need the money right now or we're not going to be able to help anyone else EVER again. Department of Education? Cut it - that's a local issue. IRS? Eliminate it. Go with a national sales tax collected by the states and passed on to the Feds. Give rebates for spending up to poverty level. With that plan, even illegal immgrants are paying taxes.
We need bi-partisan action, we need cuts - massive cuts. I also suggest two people have line item veto power - The leaders of the two major parties in the Senate.
Oh, and fillibusters? Return to old school rules. You wanna fillibuster? You stand in the chamber and talk. You stop, the fillibuster stops. Fillibustering should hurt.
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
SS109 wrote: So Obama isn't the Messiah after all? Even when he had total control, he was only able to pass Obamacare and spend like crazy. If Kennedy or LBJ had those percentages in Congress and the Senate, much more would have got done, but Barack doesn't like to get his hands dirty.
Even when it is proved to you that he is NOT spending like crazy and the is just republican partisanship, you still resist. I don't know why we bother. If it is not positive to the Republicans, then you all just pretend like it isn't happening. I bet the republican party just loves you all. At least I get mad if the liberals do something I hate - like minimize my gun ownership. Not you all - you follow blindly
You haven't been reading me if you think I blindly follow the Republicans. I know Bush spent like crazy too, just Obama takes it up a notch. and really most of the spending was orchestrated by Reid and Pelosi. I am a social libertarian and a fiscal conservative. I think we need a freeze on any increased spending and I would be willing to increase taxes, but would like to see more people paying income taxes. Less than 50% of people are paying income taxes, so I would keep the alternative minumum tax.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
SS109 wrote: <snip> I know Bush spent like crazy too, just Obama takes it up a notch. and really most of the spending was orchestrated by Reid and Pelosi. <snip>
The Viking wrote: Mam we have talked about this. Obama and the Dems had 100% control of ALL 3 houses for 2 years and could have gotten rid of those tax cuts. But instead when they expired after complaining about them for 6 years and all the liberals in the naiton blaming them for our debt, Obama and the Democrat controlled House and Senate voted to extend them and keep them. So NOW they are Obama's tax cuts. Bush's expired!
100% control? what planet have you been living on Viking?........having a majority, even a filibuster proof majority does not equal complete control, especially when that majority includes a couple independents (they are called independents for a reason) and some blue dog democrats. Not unlike the situation in the house now...the Republicans have "complete control" of the house....yet Boehner cannot get enough Republican votes to get his plan to pass yet.
What I find so hard to understand is why any congress person would want the US to default on it's obligations......this is money already spent and the bill is due. This is money spent by Republicans and Democrats, and maybe it's time the Republicans started taking some responsibility for how we got where we are. The Democrats haven't always been in charge, and certainly Bush knew what a veto meant. I agree we need to cut spending, I agree we need to scale back on our obligations....but those are future intentions. The bill is due now and the responsible thing to do is pay it. period.
This is like some guy saying to the credit card company.....hey......we kinda over spent last year, my wife spent more than she should have, and I kinda lost track of my own spending, so even though we have $10,000 owed on your card, we're only going to pay $9,000 of it because that is our debt limit this year. Please write off the extra $1000. We'll get back to you if we ever decide to raise the limit. How well do you think that will work? And wouldn't you viking, as a conservative, say to this guy that he and his wife spent the money, they owe the money, and they should be responsible and pay the money? Let them work with a budget next year......and into the future......but pay the damn obligations they have already accumulated.
Two things. I looked back and can't find any filibusters when the Dems controlled. And second, the Republicans have passed 2 bills and Reid won't even bring them to a vote. They are the party of no. SO the R's are trying to compromise MORE and now are losing some Republican votes. But they have passed bills. All the Dems say, just like you just said, raise the debt ceiling and taxes NOW, and we can figure out spending cuts later. Later never comes. And they will need another $2-3 trillion in a 2013. It has to stop NOW!! The D's HAVE to give in on spending!
It's called a "Cloture Vote," Viking, and it's not an actual filibuster, it's just a threat. The Republicans used it a record number of times in the 110th & 11th. The following information is from the US Senate Web Site.
As you can see, the 110th & 11th Congress, there were 136 & 139 cloture motions filed, the majority by Republicans. When the Democrats were in the minority, they didn't threaten filibuster nearly half as much. Interesting, huh?
Oh, you like graphs, so I'll include one. This one has up to the 110th.
Now we know why Rome collapsed....the warring factions were so busy fighting each other they forgot to mind the country's store....or is that why America will fail......could be.
