There was a lot of predicting going on when the Tea Party first hit the scene....what's your prediction for this new movement? Will they be able to find uniting goals and objectives that can keep them bound together as a political force, or will it come apart over time due to a lack of organization and muddled demands?
Personally, I think they need to get it together soon and get focused on specific policy changes in Washington that will address their grievences. I don't know how this can survive by just complaining and not having any solutions. Maybe there are so many who are STILL so willing to trust the government, they think just raising a stink will be enough get changes in the "system" that will make everything more fair (whatever that means).
As winter hits (especially in NY), these people will have to organize meetings indoors on a large scale and at least attempt to find a united direction to take the movement. I don't think we'll see very big crowds once it gets really cold across the country....or maybe they'll just move to the south. JMO, what's yours?
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
The outdoor protests will peter out as it gets colder. But I do expect it to be a considerable force in next year's election, especially on the internet.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist, but I do not see these protests stopping just because it gets cold. I also agree that the comparisons to the Tea Party no longer apply - this is much bigger and more pervasive/inclusive than the Tea Party could ever hope to be. This movement brings together not just one narrowly focused group of our nation, but people from all walks of life, who are fed up with the corruption, accumulation of power and wealth by a minority, and inability to achieve the American Dream no matter how hard they work. They have resisted politicization/political groups hijacking/joining their movement, they shun the MSM who are biased and untrustworthy, and while they have no defined goals, they have what's necessary to create change - passion, anger, and determination. Many feel they've nothing to lose. When our Forefathers suggested that rebellion by the people was necessary every once in a while, you're witnessing it - those who dismiss it so easily now, I believe will be surprised when this does not go away.
Even now, three weeks later, elites, and their mouthpieces in the press, continue to puzzle over what people like Ketchup want. Where is the list of demands? Why don’t they present us with specific goals? Why can’t they articulate an agenda?
The goal to people like Ketchup is very, very clear. It can be articulated in one word—REBELLION. These protesters have not come to work within the system. They are not pleading with Congress for electoral reform. They know electoral politics is a farce and have found another way to be heard and exercise power. They have no faith, nor should they, in the political system or the two major political parties. They know the press will not amplify their voices, and so they created a press of their own. They know the economy serves the oligarchs, so they formed their own communal system. This movement is an effort to take our country back.
This is a goal the power elite cannot comprehend. They cannot envision a day when they will not be in charge of our lives. The elites believe, and seek to make us believe, that globalization and unfettered capitalism are natural law, some kind of permanent and eternal dynamic that can never be altered. What the elites fail to realize is that rebellion will not stop until the corporate state is extinguished. It will not stop until there is an end to the corporate abuse of the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick, children, those being slaughtered in our imperial wars and tortured in our black sites. It will not stop until foreclosures and bank repossessions stop. It will not stop until students no longer have to go into debt to be educated, and families no longer have to plunge into bankruptcy to pay medical bills. It will not stop until the corporate destruction of the ecosystem stops, and our relationships with each other and the planet are radically reconfigured. And that is why the elites, and the rotted and degenerate system of corporate power they sustain, are in trouble. That is why they keep asking what the demands are. They don’t understand what is happening. They are deaf, dumb and blind.
There is no agreement among Occupy Wall Street members over what these policies - their “demands” - will yet look like. The demonstrators have been derided in some media and political circles for not having such “demands,” but - as today made abundantly clear - Occupy Wall Street is not about to become a "left-wing version" of the Tea Party. Occupy Wall Street is about being heard. It is about finding a way to be heard over the sound of money and legislation changing hands in US government through such creatures as SuperPAC and ALEC. As another chant went, "Banks got bailed out; we got sold out!"
Writing in The Washington Post, James Downie hits the nail on the head:
"Democratic support for Wall Street was one of the major motivations behind Occupy Wall Street in the first place. When you read the heartbreaking “We are the 99 percent” Tumblr and you listen to the protesters, you don’t hear frustration with Republicans. The frustration is with Washington."
Other Occupy Wall Street activists I spoke to reiterated that the movement is not a specific campaign, but rather, a forum to jump-start engagement with people on the sidelines. “I’m here for the jobless, for the foreclosed,” shouted Arthur Brown of the Local 802 musicians’ union, as he played a drum he’d brought with him to the demonstrations. “We employ the politicians,” he told me as we walked toward another drummer in the crowd. “After today, they have to listen to us. They can no longer deny that our voices are there and must be heard.”
Adding their voices were religious leaders. At least a dozen pastors marched as a group, as did members of the Union Theological Seminary and the intensely activist Judson Memorial Church.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Hopeful prediction, the Denver protestors get tear gassed for despoiling the veteran's monument downtown.
And I disagree with SC on the influence of OWS, they will have zero influence on the platform of the Republican party and the Dems will pretend to listen to the OWS protestors but nothing will change. Wall Street will still be in control.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Great question! Will the Dems convince the OWS people to support thier politicians or will the Green and Libertarian parties gain these anti-corporate voters.
Remember Obama is collecting donations from Wall Street, think he wants to cut off that funding source?
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
I don't think so, who are they going to vote for, the current executive who sold them out to the corporate entities? Are they going to vote for someone who espouses a decentralization of the power so that it is returned to the people from the political class in this nation?
Are they going to support a further consolidation of power when one of their chief complaints seems to be that power has been consolidated to the benefit of the evil banks and evil corporations?
No, this is precisely the type of group that Nancy Pelosi was speaking about through her crocodile tears and feigned concern over violence erupting over the rhetoric of the opposition party. They are a movement that the party of Democrats hoped to create with their escalated class warfare thinking that it could be controlled by them and would benefit them once started. In the end, this group of useful idiots will be as destructive to that party of Democrats as the ones who disrupted the 1968 Democratic National Convention were. I hope they do come back in next Spring and become more active through the election; it will be one more reason a sane and rational electorate will abandon the current executive when he and his party are properly saddled with creating it with their mocking and disdainful class warfare rhetoric.
I don't think the Tea Party is going to change the minds of the Democrats and I don't think the OWS movement is going to change the minds of the Republicans. It is the independent middle that will decide which movement speaks more to them. The Tea Party is a stated conservative movement who blames the progressives in government for the issues of the day. The OWS movement blames the greed of Wall Street and the influence it has on the politicians in charge, probably more the conservatives than the progressives, but they are both beholden to money. The OWS is more the We The People side and the Tea Party is more the Me instead of People side.
When you plant ice you're going to harvest wind. - Robert Hunter