OWS, You’ve Made Your Point, Now Go Home

12 Oct 2011 14:08 #11 by Rick

archer wrote:

CivilBill wrote:

archer wrote:

CivilBill wrote:

Gandhi once said of growing movements of social protestation, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." The trajectory of the ever-evolving and growing Occupy Wall Street movement follows the same pattern almost to a "T," with slight variation.

In order for them to "win", they first need to have an coherent objective. If they just continue to scream and make a mess, people will just get tired of it all and start getting turned off. IMO



CB....that is what we thought about the Tea Party with their cut cut cut spending (but no clear objective of what and how much) and their no no no no to everything both the Democrats and the Republicans were doing (to the point they wanted to bring our government to a halt, and damn the consequences). I think people are getting tired of it, and their influence will wane, IMHO. The Tea Party members may be better dressed, have more professional signs, (although I never did see tea bags hanging from straw hats as particularly professional) and the certainly have big money backers, but the OWS has the hearts of the little guy behind them, and there is strength in numbers, even if those numbers represent people and not dollars.

You completely bypassed my point...what's their objective? If they could "fix" the problem, what would that fix look like?


No, I explained that like the Tea Party, they really have no clear cut objective, other than to say what we have now isn't working. Sure they published a list of demands, and they are as pie in the sky as the Tea Party's demands. IMO

The Tea Party's objective was to remove some RINOs first of all and they accomplished that. The Republican party has been changed because of the TP and you can't deny that. They wanted the gross overspending to stop...and while that goal has not yet been accomplished, the debt has finally been put on the table for seriius discussion instead of just being ignored as usual. If they can force the Republican party to be more fiscally conservative, they can claim victory...and they did. They are not going to go away or let the pressure off RINOs.

If the OWS crowd can force changes in either party, they will be able to call it a win....but they have to have some sort of objective that is attainable.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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12 Oct 2011 14:31 #12 by Residenttroll returns
Occupy Wall Street is funded by a socialist group (National Peoples Action) started recently by the former founder of ACORN. Much of the funding of this event was provided by the OBama campaign, union political campaigns, and money.

This is a stage event.

Let's go to Canada press for the real story.... http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41042

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12 Oct 2011 14:40 #13 by archer
You are aware that the Canada Free Press is an organization that would make Rush look like a flaming liberal.......maybe you can find something a little more believable.

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12 Oct 2011 14:42 #14 by Residenttroll returns

archer wrote: You are aware that the Canada Free Press is an organization that would make Rush look like a flaming liberal.......maybe you can find something a little more believable.


Thanks for making my point... rofllol rofllol :lol: :lol: :lol:

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12 Oct 2011 14:45 #15 by Residenttroll returns
“It's pretty hard to tell what does bring happiness; poverty and wealth have both failed”
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12 Oct 2011 14:52 #16 by ScienceChic

Occupy White House wrote: Occupy Wall Street is funded by a socialist group (National Peoples Action) started recently by the former founder of ACORN. Much of the funding of this event was provided by the OBama campaign, union political campaigns, and money.

This is a stage event.

Let's go to Canada press for the real story.... http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41042

Really? Show me in the article where it says that - I call BS. There are only two mentions of George Goehl, the leader of the National Peoples Action:

Last year George Goehl, executive director of Chicago-based National People’s Action, said that “the banking crisis” was “the next big thing,” and “the way to build a big economic justice movement in this country.”

and

Goehl’s National People’s Action group is planning a “Make Wall Street Pay” event on November 3.

Which is a completely separate event.

Here's what I already saw:
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/ ... 00747.html
Start-ups Fund Wall St. Protest
IncBy Matthew DeLuca | Inc – Mon, Oct 10, 2011

The Occupy Wall Street protesters who have been camping out in Lower Manhattan's Zuccotti Park since September 17 may be rallying against big-bank policies, but they've simultaneously needed an efficient method to fund their own efforts. To that end, they've turned away from large companies, instead working with start-ups in the online-payment and crowdfunding space.

The primary method employed by the protesters to collect donations has been through an account with WePay, an online payment-collection service start-up. Based in Palo Alto, California, WePay was founded in 2008 by Rich Aberman, a dissatisfied law student, and Bill Clerico, a disgruntled investment banker. The company's site bills itself as "taking the pain out of payments," and the site also allows donation-collection from the masses. Hero Vincent, a facilitator and informal PR representative for Occupy Wall Street, says that the group's online coffers have received a steady flow of donations from both domestic and international supporters through the site.

"We've had so much donated to the cause that we don't know what to do with it," Vincent said. "We've had donations for generators, we've had donations for food."

The loose group of activists who helped plan the beginning of the protest, which started at Bowling Green at the southern tip of Manhattan on September 17, made a WePay account back in the summer to raise $30,000 for the event. That's when WePay first heard of the protest plan, weeks before it had any on-ground presence or national-media attention, said Julia Kung. That first effort at fundraising collected $29,724.73...WePay's director of marketing. Kung stressed that WePay is apolitical.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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12 Oct 2011 15:07 #17 by Residenttroll returns
Here's back at ya...

http://showdowninamerica.org/npa

Department of Labor Secretary Solis speaking to the National People’s Action. Nearly 700 members of the National People’s Action (NPA), a network of 25 grassroots organizations from 13 states promoting banking reform, affordable housing, immigration rights and worker rights issues heard from Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis on March 6, 2011. In a rousing speech, Secretary Solis affirmed DOL’s commitment to all workers, highlighted the department’s efforts to protect low-wage and immigrant workers, and stressed the importance of continuing to expand the work of the Wage and Hour Division (WHD) and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

HEY ARCHER.... http://biggovernment.com/tag/national-peoples-action/



http://ironicsurrealism.com/2011/08/05/ ... ist-rally/

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12 Oct 2011 15:08 #18 by archer
You really are digging deep into the conservative sources.....let us know when you get to the truth of it.

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12 Oct 2011 15:10 #19 by Residenttroll returns

archer wrote: You really are digging deep into the conservative sources.....let us know when you get to the truth of it.


Oh ...hold on...let me find some truth at HuffPo or DailyKos. I'll be back in a few decades.

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12 Oct 2011 16:44 #20 by Keep Me Posted
Replied by Keep Me Posted on topic OWS, You’ve Made Your Point, Now Go Home
Hey OWS,

Today, while you all were complaining about your lack of a job, I was working. You don’t have to ask for a job. You can make one. Start a start up or volunteer to help others find a job. My son volunteers to mentor low income high school students that have college aspirations. I can't even find anyone that wants easy work because their job benefits keep them just fine! It is a bad economy but I don't see people willing to do anything. They only want 'good' jobs". You know what I am doing right now? Starting my 10th hour of work and I still have 5 hours ahead of me. Quit whining and look for a new way to do it. You all are mad at the wrong people.

Make your own luck.

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