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Heartless, you do realize that Willie Soon's research has been discredited time and time again, http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... on-is-now/ and http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... condition/
William Gray has the same problem trying to make any links to his work discrediting AGW http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... ay-on-agw/
and Todd Shepard is a reporter, not a scientist - how has his report on solar panel costs discredited AGW? I absolutely agree with his assertion that who is subject to FOIA needs to be expanded and that the bias in media comes often from what they choose to report on AND what the choose NOT to report on - it's why I've always emphasized that it's important to get your news from seemingly contradictory sources, and especially independent sources, and why I appreciate participating in forums like this - because I noticed that I get exposed to stories that I normally wouldn't seek out on my own, thus providing a balance. Along with that, one must actively think and critique the big picture of what's going on, and that's a time-consuming, not-fun chore that many avoid.

But, his story about solar panels does not discredit the science of global warming, it just shows the misrepresentation by those who push solar panels - it's not going to be a panacea that solves all our problems, but it is something that must be included in the renewable energy portfolio (and efficiencies of solar panels must be exponentially increased to do any real dent).

Occupy White House wrote: I just love the "maps" and "graphs" of the renewal energy industry....now, let's see an ROI calculation when compared to coal generated electricity.

Do you mean an ROI with coal subsidies factored in or without? Cuz coal doesn't cost what it should you know...we pay for it with our taxes

CB - that's just it, this energy isn't going to stay cheap - we will save more by being proactive than reactive to market volatility.

Yes, I do. But do you mean taxes, or clean-air regulations that our government is supposed to implement to protect our health, as we've charged them to do? That's the latest outrages that I've seen on conservative websites - that coal plants are forced to close due to EPA regulations implemented months ago (never mind that they are so old, decrepit, and beyond retrofitting, that the companies will make more building newer, more efficient plants in the process), and the crappy rhetoric that goes with those stories.