residenttroll wrote: This is a fallacy.... America doesn't have a blue collar work force that can do these public construction projects....we have relied on illegals to take the construction jobs over the past decade.
So you're saying that it's impossible for any American to learn basic construction skills in order to earn an unemployment check? You think that they'd starve than work for welfare (if they won't get the welfare if they don't at least apply to work?).
I have floated the work for welfare idea on 285bound before, able bodied citizens receiving federal and state aid should work for their money just like those employed by private industry. Why not stand up an organization much like Civillian Conservation Corps of the 1930's? Put those folks to work, teach them viable trades and get some of the infrastructure improvement projects that Barry keeps saying need to be accomplished.
Otis, I don't totally disagree with the idea. Question...how long would this program run? How would they transition to private sector? Why don't we give employers a sizable salary match to hire, train, and retain?
One other point: many of the CCC participants were later drafted into the military for WWII.
residenttroll wrote: This is a fallacy.... America doesn't have a blue collar work force that can do these public construction projects....we have relied on illegals to take the construction jobs over the past decade.
So you're saying that it's impossible for any American to learn basic construction skills in order to earn an unemployment check? You think that they'd starve than work for welfare (if they won't get the welfare if they don't at least apply to work?).
I have floated the work for welfare idea on 285bound before, able bodied citizens receiving federal and state aid should work for their money just like those employed by private industry. Why not stand up an organization much like Civillian Conservation Corps of the 1930's? Put those folks to work, teach them viable trades and get some of the infrastructure improvement projects that Barry keeps saying need to be accomplished.
Otis, I don't totally disagree with the idea. Question...how long would this program run? How would they transition to private sector? Why don't we give employers a sizable salary match to hire, train, and retain?
One other point: many of the CCC participants were later drafted into the military for WWII.
I hope that we are not on the verge of WWIII any time soon, in the meanwhile I have to believe running a CCC like program couldn't cost more than any of the jobs bills on the floor of congress today. How long would the program run? How long will it take for the
economy to turn around and convince industry to reinvest in domestic businesses?
If it was up to me this kind of program would be a stringent training program that would partner the US Government with industry to feed trained employees to industry after these trainees demonstrate basic skills, competencies, and receive a certification from the US Government for their skill set(s). This kind of program should take an inventory of everyone's skills and aptitudes and place them in jobs that they are well suited to excel in., think standardized testing meets the Myers-Briggs personality inventory test. Does it take 99 weeks to learn the skills it takes to perform entry level jobs? Probably not but wouldn't it be a worthwhile investment to provide industry with entry level and journeyman level trainees who would have certifications backed by the US Government?
Instead of sitting around waiting for their checks, able bodied people on welfare would be expected to show up for work on time every week day and be productive. I'd like to see other programs that could take advantage of what the handicapped could do to help using the Internet and other alternatives that would allow them to also contribute. Better still it should serve to re-instill a solid work ethic in our workforce and promote an economic atmosphere that is friendly to businesses.
Oh wait, what I just described already exists, its' called the US Armed services. I'm still not against a civilian version!
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
residenttroll wrote: This is a fallacy.... America doesn't have a blue collar work force that can do these public construction projects....we have relied on illegals to take the construction jobs over the past decade.
So you're saying that it's impossible for any American to learn basic construction skills in order to earn an unemployment check? You think that they'd starve than work for welfare (if they won't get the welfare if they don't at least apply to work?).
I have floated the work for welfare idea on 285bound before, able bodied citizens receiving federal and state aid should work for their money just like those employed by private industry. Why not stand up an organization much like Civillian Conservation Corps of the 1930's? Put those folks to work, teach them viable trades and get some of the infrastructure improvement projects that Barry keeps saying need to be accomplished.
Otis, I don't totally disagree with the idea. Question...how long would this program run? How would they transition to private sector? Why don't we give employers a sizable salary match to hire, train, and retain?
One other point: many of the CCC participants were later drafted into the military for WWII.
I hope that we are not on the verge of WWIII any time soon, in the meanwhile I have to believe running a CCC like program couldn't cost more than any of the jobs bills on the floor of congress today. How long would the program run? How long will it take for the
economy to turn around and convince industry to reinvest in domestic businesses?
If it was up to me this kind of program would be a stringent training program that would partner the US Government with industry to feed trained employees to industry after these trainees demonstrate basic skills, competencies, and receive a certification from the US Government for their skill set(s). This kind of program should take an inventory of everyone's skills and aptitudes and place them in jobs that they are well suited to excel in., think standardized testing meets the Myers-Briggs personality inventory test. Does it take 99 weeks to learn the skills it takes to perform entry level jobs? Probably not but wouldn't it be a worthwhile investment to provide industry with entry level and journeyman level trainees who would have certifications backed by the US Government?
Instead of sitting around waiting for their checks, able bodied people on welfare would be expected to show up for work on time every week day and be productive. I'd like to see other programs that could take advantage of what the handicapped could do to help using the Internet and other alternatives that would allow them to also contribute. Better still it should serve to re-instill a solid work ethic in our workforce and promote an economic atmosphere that is friendly to businesses.
Oh wait, what I just described already exists, its' called the US Armed services. I'm still not against a civilian version!
jf1acai wrote: You would expect people to DO something in order to receive their welfare?
OMG!
The people who believe in entitlement are totally aghast at such a thought.
Aside from those who really cannot work due to disabilities, I have to ask why taxpayers are carrying the people on welfare? If they don't have to do anything to get cash from the Government why would they unless working for the money became a requirement for continued payments.
Assuming such a program were to come into existence... Decide not to show up for work? That's ok, you just don't get paid for any of the time you were not at work, there would be a cap on the number of days any individual could be absent before they were bounced out of the program AND left with no entitlements. Have a look at the kids who live on the dole in the UK now and it's not much of a stretch to see the same thing happening in the USA.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
jf1acai wrote: You would expect people to DO something in order to receive their welfare?
OMG!
The people who believe in entitlement are totally aghast at such a thought.
Nice broad brush there. I happen to think providing work for those collecting any kind of government assistance, especially unemployment is a great idea. You seem to have this idea that those who believe in the "entitlement" programs, as you call them, think they should be giveaways. they shouldn't be. I would love to see a program where those who get unemployment must work at some kind of job to receive it, probably not 40/hrs per week.....they do need to be actively looking for work too, but there is no reason they shouldn't give back something for what they receive. Not only would this get some projects done that otherwise wouldn't be done, but people would get training in areas that might help them find permanent work. Welfare, could be a problem since a lot of it goes to single mothers, I'm not sure welfare pays enough for child care.
Lots of details for a program like this, and start up costs for administration would probably kill it before is even gets off the ground. Would Republicans really OK money for a program to help people, even if it saves money in the long run?
Now please, jf1, could you please stop with the assumptions about what a liberal, or anyone, thinks about a particular subject? If you want to know, just ask.
jf1acai wrote: You would expect people to DO something in order to receive their welfare?
OMG!
The people who believe in entitlement are totally aghast at such a thought.
Nice broad brush there. I happen to think providing work for those collecting any kind of government assistance, especially unemployment is a great idea. You seem to have this idea that those who believe in the "entitlement" programs, as you call them, think they should be giveaways. they shouldn't be. I would love to see a program where those who get unemployment must work at some kind of job to receive it, probably not 40/hrs per week.....they do need to be actively looking for work too, but there is no reason they shouldn't give back something for what they receive. Not only would this get some projects done that otherwise wouldn't be done, but people would get training in areas that might help them find permanent work. Welfare, could be a problem since a lot of it goes to single mothers, I'm not sure welfare pays enough for child care.
Lots of details for a program like this, and start up costs for administration would probably kill it before is even gets off the ground. Would Republicans really OK money for a program to help people, even if it saves money in the long run?
Now please, jf1, could you please stop with the assumptions about what a liberal, or anyone, thinks about a particular subject? If you want to know, just ask.
Who needs to ask a liberal what they think....we see the results daily.
