Drug Test for Unemployment Benies.

PrintSmith wrote: Do you also stand by the transparent attempts to deceive that are contained in the references you supplied?

LadyJazzer wrote: What part of "I stand by what I said" are you having problems with?

Hey... that's the most honest bit of dishonesty I've ever heard coming from a progressive. Good show Lady Jazzer.

LadyJazzer wrote: Unemployment benefits are not welfare...no matter how much you would like to suggest otherwise. Yes, if the paid-in Unemployment INSURANCE payments end up not covering the amount that needs to be paid out, then it gets supplimented by federal dollars. Only if you have the moronic outlook that every dollar paid out from the feds is "welfare" would you keep harping on that...

Unemployment Insurance isn't insurance. It is an appropriation of the legislature paid for through the levying and collection of taxes. Another deceptive use of language - which seems to be all that the left is capable of these days. Giving legislation a politically positive name doesn't mean that what the legislation creates is actually what the name says it is.

The only deceptive use of language I see are the daily, empty, repetitive gobbledygook you keep regurgitating from the usual sources.

"Giving legislation a politically positive name doesn't mean that what the legislation creates is actually what the name says it is."... Yeah, think: "Patriot Act"

Unemployment benefits are not welfare...no matter how much you would like to suggest otherwise. Yes, if the paid-in Unemployment INSURANCE payments end up not covering the amount that needs to be paid out, then it gets supplimented by federal dollars. Only if you have the moronic outlook that every dollar paid out from the feds is "welfare" would you keep harping on that...

They are welfare. Your benefits under the welfare program are not dictated by any contract, they are dictated by a set of laws that can be changed at the whim of those currently in the legislative branch of the government. You have no right to any specific benefit other than that which the legislature decides to grant you. Them's the facts LJ, whether you like them or not doesn't alter their existence. Unemployment Insurance is not insurance, it is a social welfare program created by the government and funded through the levying and collection of taxes. Just because the title has "insurance" in the name doesn't mean it is actually insurance - it means some politician decided to include the word insurance in the name. I'll see your Patriot Act and raise you an "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009".

And whether you like them or not, your garbage is spin... It's not social welfare... But thanks for playing.

I don't see how anyone can lay claim to it being anything other than legislation enacted to theoretically promote the welfare of the society (the success of the theory being suspect as well) - but then I never have been able to understand the (il)logic of the "progressive" theology.

It is a social welfare program LJ. There is simply no credible argument that it is anything but a social welfare program.

This seems to be an interesting little bit of karma....Sponsor of the bill being arrested for DUI...Or maybe it's just more "do as we say, not as we do" hypocrisy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 09365.html

AspenValley wrote: This seems to be an interesting little bit of karma....Sponsor of the bill being arrested for DUI...Or maybe it's just more "do as we say, not as we do" hypocrisy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 09365.html

What illegal drugs were involved? I'm confused. What does this article have to do with testing people for the use of illegal drugs?

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

AspenValley wrote: This seems to be an interesting little bit of karma....Sponsor of the bill being arrested for DUI...Or maybe it's just more "do as we say, not as we do" hypocrisy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 09365.html

What illegal drugs were involved? I'm confused. What does this article have to do with testing people for the use of illegal drugs?

Have you always had this much trouble connecting the dots? Or do you just enjoy playing dumb when it suits you?

AspenValley wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

AspenValley wrote: This seems to be an interesting little bit of karma....Sponsor of the bill being arrested for DUI...Or maybe it's just more "do as we say, not as we do" hypocrisy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 09365.html

What illegal drugs were involved? I'm confused. What does this article have to do with testing people for the use of illegal drugs?

Have you always had this much trouble connecting the dots? Or do you just enjoy playing dumb when it suits you?

How does his getting arrested for DUI change anything about his legislation? It doesn't. It a fallacious argument. Come up with something that supports or diminishes the body of the bill... his personal problems doesn't change anything. That's a completely different issue. If you want to discuss DUI and unemployment payments... start a thread about it.