Obama signed away due process yesterday

04 Jan 2012 12:43 - 04 Jan 2012 13:04 #1 by BearMtnHIB
Sadly- I'm not suprised or as shocked as you would think- which is a very sad commentary about our government.

I would think that the entire left would be up in arms and ready to hang Obama for what he did yesterday. I know as a libertarian- this upsets me to no end. The Federal Government has over 10,000 laws rules and regulations to go after and detain terrorists- more than enough laws to go after criminals and enemies of the state- so why does it need a law that allows them to detain our citizens without any due process, a fundamental right of United States Citizens.

So why are they doing this? Why would Obama sign a law that he himself is saying he had “serious reservations” about the provisions?

This is the wholesale grab of our fundamental right to trial- what the HELL? Is anyone else out there concerned about this? I'm not so sure that the claims by some groups about the government getting ready to herd us into prison camps is not true!

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) today, allowing indefinite detention to be codified into law. As you know, the White House had threatened to veto an earlier version of the NDAA but reversed course shortly before Congress voted on the final bill. While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had “serious reservations” about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use it and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations.

The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law

All I can say is that somewhere out there- Hitler has a great big smile on his face- proud as hell of Obama! We no longer are living in a free country when the military can detain us against our will without ever giving us our day in court!

All you liberals were so concerned about Bush taking away our rights with the Patriot Act- but Obama has re-instated that and signed our right to a trial away- where's the outrage?

You are all weak sheeple- and the day will come when laws like this will routinely used against us all!

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04 Jan 2012 12:52 #2 by LadyJazzer
Our outrage over this law has already been registered...STRONGLY...

For you to suggest otherwise shows how far up your head is _________.

See: Indefinite Military Detention Of US Citizens Win For Terrorists
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:36 pm

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04 Jan 2012 13:09 #3 by ScienceChic

All you liberals were so concerned about Bush taking away our rights with the Patriot Act- but Obama has re-instated that and signed our right to a trial away- where's the outrage?

Way ahead of ya! :) I'm pissed, and I've made no secret of the fact that this bill was an atrocity long before it was passed. Where's your outrage at all the Republicans that voted for this?

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Edit to add:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alton-lu/ ... 80869.html
The National Defense Authorization Act: Our Disappearing Rights and Liberties
Posted: 01/ 3/12
Alton Lu

Those "lazy communist leeches" as you like to think of them, are out protesting this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/0 ... 83180.html
Occupy Wall Street Protests In Grand Central Against Signing Of NDAA; 3 Arrested (VIDEOS)
01/4/12

This site http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/02 ... elieve-in/
even mentions a Truthout story about it in regards to Ron Paul
http://www.truth-out.org/marginalizing- ... 1325170468

And another one they posted:
http://www.truth-out.org/why-media-lyin ... 1324397022
Why Is the Media Lying About New NDAA Power for Indefinite Military Detention of Americans?
Saturday 17 December 2011
by: Ralph Lopez

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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04 Jan 2012 13:13 #4 by LadyJazzer
Hmmmm... A quote from one thread:

This site shows who voted for this in the House: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-932

Republicans voted for it at a 4:1 ratio.

This site shows who voted for it in the Senate: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-230

Republicans voted for it at almost a 7:1 ratio.

Al Franken voted against it. Is he a hero now?

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04 Jan 2012 13:16 #5 by BearMtnHIB
I'm outraged at everyone who would vote for this in a "supposedly" free country- but especially at a president who would sign this BS into law!

And SC- what about all the Democrats who voted for it? Will you be voting for them again?

And I know one republican who did not vote for it- Ron Paul.

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04 Jan 2012 13:17 #6 by LadyJazzer
What about all the REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR IT? (at 7:1 and 4:1 ratios)????

That's a LOT of Republicans... Will you be voting again for any of THEM?!

Duh....

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04 Jan 2012 13:21 #7 by BearMtnHIB
No I will not be voting for them.

Duhh!

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04 Jan 2012 13:24 #8 by ScienceChic
Bear, I added some links to my original post to HuffPo articles, and Occupy protesters who are against this to show you us libs are angry as well. No, I will not be voting for anyone who voted for this crap, either Dem or Rep.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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04 Jan 2012 14:22 #9 by bailey bud
Colorado's delegation voted against it, 4-3.

The Nay GOP votes included Rep. Coffman (covering a lot of the 285 region) and Rep. Tipton.

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04 Jan 2012 14:41 #10 by bailey bud

This site shows who voted for this in the House: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-932

Republicans voted for it at a 4:1 ratio.

This site shows who voted for it in the Senate: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-230

Republicans voted for it at almost a 7:1 ratio.


(and the Democrat senators voted for it at comparable ratios (in fact, they were more supportive than the GOP)

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