Obamacare Violates The Separation Of Church & State?

Joe wrote: I know this is beating a dead horse, but this whole issue is missing the larger point -as explained in this article. The easy solution would be to have these mandated benefits available as optional add-on coverages. Insurance is not for small predictable expenses.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj

The Real Trouble With the Birth-Control Mandate
Critics are missing the main point. There are good reasons that your car-insurance company doesn't add $100 to your premium and then cover oil changes.

Bravo! People whine about the price of health insurance but they want everything to be covered from a $50 doctor visit to a $10 prescription. Birth control isn't very costly, people should pay for it themselves.

Yep... And Viagra, too...

Really bad move on the part of the Obama administration...

Even Chris Matthews is... well... pissy...

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The Hispanic's are not too happy...

President Barack Obama’s campaign to woo growing Hispanic communities in southern states being thwarted by his simultaneous campaign to regulate their neighborhood churches, both Catholic and evangelical.

The proposed regulation “has caused an incredible amount of consternation and angst in the Hispanic community. … It is un-American to tell my pastor, my minister, my priest that they have to violate what they believe in,” said Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference.

The conference represents 18,000 non-Catholic churches and 15 million Hispanic evangelicals, or roughly one third of Hispanics in the United States.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/09/obama ... e/?print=1

Is it possible that Obama will step back from this...

With the White House under fire for its new rule requiring employers including religious organizations to offer health insurance that fully covers birth control coverage, ABC News has learned that later today the White House — possibly President Obama himself — will likely announce an attempt to accommodate these religious groups.

The move, based on state models, will almost certainly not satisfy bishops and other religious leaders since it will preserve the goal of women employees having their birth control fully covered by health insurance. …

White House officials have discussed the state law in Hawaii, where religious groups are allowed to opt out of coverage that includes birth control, as long as employees are given information whether such coverage can be obtained. But this accommodation would not go that far.

This announcement would not go that far. Sources say it will involve health insurance companies helping to provide the coverage, since it’s actually cheaper for these companies to offer the coverage than to not do so, because of unwanted pregnancies and resulting complications.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... tion-rule/

Ain't going to work. Obama stepped in this one big time and he's going to have to live with the stink.

So if I get this right... the Catholic Church is dictating what a womans choices are... the church does not believe that women cannot make up their own minds on contraception or medical care.

But they cover up pedophilia, pay off the victims, and yet these males are going to say that women do not have the right to have insurance pay for their medical care...

You guys DO know that 'estrogen' (aka birth control) is not JUST for birth control right?

It's used to relieve the issues that peri-menopause and menopause cause...
It's used to control irregular and abnormal cycles....
Other hormone related issues.

So these caring loving bishops of the catholic church don't really care that much about women except to tell them what they cannot do while the only caring and loving these bishops give out is to innocent young boys.

I get it now....

And people wonder why atheism seems to be growing....

LadyJazzer wrote: Yep... And Viagra, too...

What about vasectomies also?

netdude wrote: So if I get this right... the Catholic Church is dictating what a womans choices are... the church does not believe that women cannot make up their own minds on contraception or medical care.

But they cover up pedophilia, pay off the victims, and yet these males are going to say that women do not have the right to have insurance pay for their medical care...

You guys DO know that 'estrogen' (aka birth control) is not JUST for birth control right?

It's used to relieve the issues that peri-menopause and menopause cause...
It's used to control irregular and abnormal cycles....
Other hormone related issues.

So these caring loving bishops of the catholic church don't really care that much about women except to tell them what they cannot do while the only caring and loving these bishops give out is to innocent young boys.

I get it now....

And people wonder why atheism seems to be growing....

The Church is not dictating anything. If you are an employee for a Catholic organization there is nothing preventing you from obtaining reproductive medical services from a number of sources... and a good number of sources are free. Also employment is a free choice, no one is forcing a person from retaining a job if they are not satisfied with the benefits. A woman has many choices and they can make those choices.

Would you accept a job if there was some benefit missing, some benefit that you consider necessary? Or would you have the choice to not take the job? Many companies are cutting certain medical benefits and employer copay options. If you worked at a company that was cutting benefits, is that company dictating your medical choices, or could you quit.

I'm sorry, but this is typical entitlement mentality. And I don't want to see the government telling any religious business (especially not-for-profit religious organization) which supplies services usually to the poor and needy, what they HAVE to have in their heath care policies. It's no mystery that the Catholic Church is against abortions and contraception, this is not a NEW dogma, it's been stated over and over throughout history.

No one is being blindsided by this stance of the Catholic Church (and other religious denominations)... except maybe the Obama administration.

All moot. Birth control is killing the planet. When all the fish are dead the ecological balance of the oceans will go nuts and life on Earth will cease as we know it. :Whistle


"The Birth Control Pill Threatens Fish Reproduction


April 12, 2010 By Jennifer Lance 3 Comments
An estimated 80 million women worldwide take oral contraceptives (aka “the Pill“) to “inhibit ovulation and thus prevent pregnancy”. First available to the public in the 1960s, the Pill has been pronounced as “the most significant medical advance of the 20th century”. Although the Pill revolutionized women’s health, traces of the contraceptive are ending up in treated wastewater and harming fish."

http://bluelivingideas.com/2010/04/12/b ... roduction/

neptunechimney wrote: All moot. Birth control is killing the planet. When all the fish are dead the ecological balance of the oceans will go nuts and life on Earth will cease as we know it. :Whistle


"The Birth Control Pill Threatens Fish Reproduction


April 12, 2010 By Jennifer Lance 3 Comments
An estimated 80 million women worldwide take oral contraceptives (aka “the Pill“) to “inhibit ovulation and thus prevent pregnancy”. First available to the public in the 1960s, the Pill has been pronounced as “the most significant medical advance of the 20th century”. Although the Pill revolutionized women’s health, traces of the contraceptive are ending up in treated wastewater and harming fish."

http://bluelivingideas.com/2010/04/12/b ... roduction/

“If we know how our medicines affect the environment, we will be in a better position to choose environmentally friendly alternatives, though we must always put the health of patients first.”

So if it is found that significant damage is being done to aquatic life from the Pill, who would be the first to lead the charge in banning it? Could this be one of the many uninteneded consequences of man's manipulation of nature? No matter what we do, we always seem to find new ways of killing ourselves off, slowly but surely.

Interesting that the conservatives have no issue with the majority of individual states, including Colorado, already have the same or stricter requirements for birth control to be provided even by religious institutions, but when the present administration applies across the board, it is an "outrage".

King obama has messed this up good.
Another failed policy that created zero jobs.
Wonder what's next on the list. As Larry
Jazzer would say, "you cant make this stuff up."