Are we at 285bound.com under surveillance?

PrintSmith wrote:

popcorn eater wrote: This is not the issue, the issue is what is legal and what should be legal. I have brought this up before....somehow we now think a cell phone is different than a land line or that an email is different than a snail mail.....these things are considered so different that the traditional citizen protections have been given up with the new technology. That literally the part you cannot see (how the info is transmitted) changes your rights, we have all accepted this, and here some have even argued for it.

Not exactly sure how pulling signals out of the sky is the same as tapping into a shielded hard circuit PE. When you broadcast something through the air you open the possibility that anyone, not just the government, will be able to intercept it. The Russians can listen in without a warrant, so can the Israelis - that is what happens when you broadcast something. The fish that is your phone conversation or your email can end up in anyone's net. When they are casting a line intending to hook a specific fish, that sharply reduces the number of shades of gray IMNTBHO. Casting out a broad net and seeing what it catches in one area of the ocean of radio signals is not the same as tapping into one specific phone line or opening mail that comes from one specific address.

Cool PS, I can help you. All you have to do, govt or private cit to listen to a land line convo is climb the pole and tap the line, remember the guys back in the day could all do this, you can still do it. I can also walk up to most mailboxes in the US and just take the mail, read it and put it back. There is only one thing that stops this, again the law.

So now according your logic, it is just as reasonable to tap the land line, in fact even easier for the average guy...or just as reasonable to look at someone's snail mail, again in fact even easier for the average guy.

PS is was the law that stopped them, and the law can stop them today. And yes 40 years ago the russians could have sent a human over to the US and tapped your line and read your mail. If we catch people doing this we punish them according to the law. All I am suggesting is that if we catch somone reading your email, that we punish them, if you catch your ISP copying the content and saving it, we punish them for mail fraud. If someone logs your cell phone convo, we get them for wire tapping (and we change that name because it is 2012 and we don't need wires). Oh and your isp is recording this stuff through wires.

So it is about what is acceptible and what WE DECIDE to make legal and then what WE DECIDE to enforce. Sounds like you decided.

Anyone can reach out their hand and grab your throat and squeeze till there is no life in your body, it is easy, but since it is against the rules, we don't do it very often and punish people that do. We also decided that, we did not have to, we could have rewarded them in stead, we could have done nothing (like we do to those tapping your internet and cell phone).

I am amazed you just argued that the technology changes your privacy rights just because it is easier to take them from you now vs. then (and it is actually harder for most, tapping a phone line is easy). I am starting to understand why we are in this position, because people are fine with it, actually justify it.

Your net example only makes my point. You are saying that your right to privacy is actually dependant on the how easy it is under current technology to violate it. I think it would make sense, if we are recognizing this as a cornerstone of privacy traditions and future implimentation, searching and spying that we write this into the laws. It would be great to try and quantify how much each step in communication technology changes your right to make that communication private. We could put this right into the constitution, so it is clear.

You guys left out per the nutjob up in homeland security, napalitano, if your a Veteran that has served in combat then we are potential terrorist

BearMtnHIB wrote: We’re all suspects now.

They’re watching.
Big Brother is watching!

lol Don't worry about it- Big Brother is looking for occupiers, not tea baggers. Big Brother loves you brain dead drones. What does that tell ya "guys"?

It tells me that we are the rebels and you are the suck ass's..

How do you not know that? You're safe, don't worry- Big Brother wants everyone to be just like you because you side against people on every issue, you love and promote the police, the military, corporations and you love wars

You're Big Brothers dream..Fresh meat for the grinder

I knew that would shut you all up

Next!

Go back to your video games McFly, they won't track you, all your misspelled words confuse the key word search algorithm. LOL Great tactic! You're safe.



Homeland Security Search Results for the Vice Lord.

Dept of Homeland Security Official Analysis:
Obviously a clueless moron or 3rd grader in mommy's basement playing video games. Threat Assesment: Not significant, waste of resources, threat level- light pink, OWS wannabe .

They obviously see me as a threat because i'm very influential..I've converted countless individuals since I hit the local message board scene and those are just the ones I know about..No doubt i'm viewed by the powers that be as a very dangerous man, sort of a progressive Pied Piper.

Vice Lord wrote: They obviously see me as a threat because i'm very influential..I've converted countless individuals since I hit the local message board scene and those are just the ones I know about..No doubt i'm viewed by the powers that be as a very dangerous man, sort of a progressive Pied Piper.

Actually the only reason they would track you is to know how many times your septic needs to be emptied due to all your BS. They want to track me I could really care less. Nothing to hide.

but I do like your picture

navycpo7 wrote: They want to track me I could really care less. Nothing to hide.

Most Un American thing I ever heard here..Look up the word Freedom in the dictionary my friend..

Vice Lord wrote: They obviously see me as a threat because i'm very influential..I've converted countless individuals since I hit the local message board scene and those are just the ones I know about..No doubt i'm viewed by the powers that be as a very dangerous man, sort of a progressive Pied Piper.

Damn I laughed so hard my beer came out my nose... What a Marroon...

Thats how I see myself Martin