50 Scientist/Astronauts condemn NASA's AGW endorsement

11 Apr 2012 12:14 #1 by Reverend Revelant
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n an unprecedented slap at NASA’s endorsement of global warming science, nearly 50 former astronauts and scientists--including the ex-boss of the Johnson Space Center--claim the agency is on the wrong side of science and must change course or ruin the reputation of the world’s top space agency.

Challenging statements from NASA that man is causing climate change, the former NASA executives demanded in a letter to Administrator Charles Bolden that he and the agency “refrain from including unproven remarks” supporting global warming in the media.


“We feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate,” they wrote. “At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.”

The letter was signed by seven Apollo astronauts, a deputy associate administrator, several scientists, and even the deputy director of the space shuttle program.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ ... ndemn-nasa ’s-global-warming-endorsement/469366


What do scientist and astronauts know? They probably all own oil wells and are multi-billionaires.

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11 Apr 2012 12:37 #2 by bailey bud
No doubt, many scientists would question the Agency's reputation were they to withdraw their endorsement of AGW.

NASA should collect data to investigate the theory, and encourage college and university researchers draw conclusions based on the facts. They should be neither for nor against AGW --- they should be for data collection and dissemination.

Political neutrality is usually good for business.

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11 Apr 2012 13:24 #3 by FredHayek
Still waiting for the seas to rise...is Cape Canaveral under water yet?

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11 Apr 2012 14:02 #4 by Something the Dog Said
It is interesting that none of those signing the letter have any background in climate research.

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11 Apr 2012 14:22 #5 by PrintSmith
Interesting as well that they are all persons of science. AGW is a theory at this point, a theory in search of evidence which supports or refutes it. Notice that the scientists at NASA have not said that AGW theory is false, just that it remains a theory at this point and that for NASA to state conclusively at this point that it is a fact rather than a theory is potentially harmful to the reputation of NASA, and science in general, if the theory is later shown to be incorrect rather than valid.

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11 Apr 2012 14:28 #6 by Reverend Revelant

Something the Dog Said wrote: It is interesting that none of those signing the letter have any background in climate research.


It's interesting that NASA is not NOAA.

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11 Apr 2012 14:46 #7 by Something the Dog Said
Actually a number of the signee's were administrators and engineers, not men of "science". Also, as NASA has stated, it is reflecting the current state of discourse about global warming and the effect of carbon dioxide on the atmosphere, which is certainly an area of interest for the mission of NASA. The page that so offended the signee's is actually very tame, merely stating the possible causes, and that clearly states that it is currently being studied. NASA is promoting the discussion of the subject, while the signee's are trying to prohibit that discourse. http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

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11 Apr 2012 14:53 #8 by ScienceChic

PrintSmith wrote: Interesting as well that they are all persons of science. AGW is a theory at this point, a theory in search of evidence which supports or refutes it. Notice that the scientists at NASA have not said that AGW theory is false, just that it remains a theory at this point and that for NASA to state conclusively at this point that it is a fact rather than a theory is potentially harmful to the reputation of NASA, and science in general, if the theory is later shown to be incorrect rather than valid.

No, they are not. Did you even look up the signees, or are you just assuming that they are all scientists based on the inflammatory blog titles that are all over the internet on this? There are astronauts, program managers, electrical engineers, flight crew training & operations, a reentry specialist, a quality assurance manager, and several who aren't even identified. One meteorologist and one geologist that I could find. It's another great case of picking a bunch of non-expert famous and non-famous people, spoon-feeding them misinformation, getting them to sign a petition, saying they have credibility to judge the state of the current science, and letting the blogs run with the headlines - Google 'em and see the variations.

AGW is a theory at this point

I think you don't understand what the term "theory" means. Gravity is a "theory". Relativity is a "theory".

Theory
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

or

A well-substantiated explanation or a set of statements that have been confirmed over the course of many independent experiments. In comparison, theories are more certain than hypotheses but less certain than laws. And in science, an unproved idea or a mere theoretical speculation is regarded as a hypothesis rather than a scientific theory.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Theory

There is over 40 years of intensive research on this field, and the research that applies to climate science goes back well over 100 years. Not one shred of evidence has been found that refutes that global warming is occurring and that man-made contributions are the main driver of it.

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years

/s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years

/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years

/s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years

/s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years

/s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years

/s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years

/s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years

/s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years

/s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years

/s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years

/s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years

/s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years

/s/ Anita Gale

/s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years

/s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years

/s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years

/s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years

/s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years

/s/ Thomas J. Harmon

/s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years

/s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years

/s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years

/s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years

/s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years

/s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years

/s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years

/s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen

/s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years

/s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years

/s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years

/s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years

/s/ Tom Ohesorge

/s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years

/s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years

/s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate,40 years

/s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years

/s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years

/s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years

/s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years

/s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years/s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years

/s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years

/s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years

/s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years

/s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years


Oil Executive Leads Attack on Climate Scientist Jim Hansen

Texas A&M atmospheric sciences professor Andrew Dessler told POLITICO that he did in fact meet with the 75 or so retirees at Goddard last October — along with University of Houston professor Barry Lefer and fellow Texas A&M professor John Nielsen-Gammon — and came away less than impressed.

“These people are well meaning, but they don’t seem to realize that climate science takes years of full-time work to actually get to know,” he said. “They really don’t understand anything about the climate system. They understand less than the first-year grad students that come out of my classes.”


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11 Apr 2012 15:37 #9 by Reverend Revelant
ANd on the local front.

Lord Christopher Monckton will address the Colorado General Assembly beginning at 1:00 p.m. sharp

Where: Old Supreme Court Chambers
Colorado State Capital, Denver
When: Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Time: 1:00 p.m.

State Representative Wes McKinley has lined up more excellent speakers to speak April 11th. To our knowledge, this will be the first time Lord Monckton has ever visited Colorado...possibly the Rocky Mountain Region. You won't want to miss this historic event!

http://denverdirect.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... ll-be.html


State Representative Wes McKinley (D-Walsh)

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11 Apr 2012 17:04 #10 by Rick

bailey bud wrote: No doubt, many scientists would question the Agency's reputation were they to withdraw their endorsement of AGW.

NASA should collect data to investigate the theory, and encourage college and university researchers draw conclusions based on the facts. They should be neither for nor against AGW --- they should be for data collection and dissemination.

Political neutrality is usually good for business.

I other words....keep politicians as far away from the scientists and facts as possible.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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