50 Scientist/Astronauts condemn NASA's AGW endorsement

Science Chic wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Interesting as well that they are all persons of science.

No, they are not. Did you even look up the signees, or are you just assuming that they are all scientists based on the inflammatory blog titles that are all over the internet on this? There are astronauts, program managers, electrical engineers, flight crew training & operations, a reentry specialist, a quality assurance manager, and several who aren't even identified. One meteorologist and one geologist that I could find.

An engineering degree isn't a science degree? One who has a degree related to computers doesn't have a computer science degree? Physics isn't a science? Architecture isn't science? Are you sure about all of that SC?

PrintSmith wrote:

Science Chic wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Interesting as well that they are all persons of science.

No, they are not. Did you even look up the signees, or are you just assuming that they are all scientists based on the inflammatory blog titles that are all over the internet on this? There are astronauts, program managers, electrical engineers, flight crew training & operations, a reentry specialist, a quality assurance manager, and several who aren't even identified. One meteorologist and one geologist that I could find.

An engineering degree isn't a science degree? One who has a degree related to computers doesn't have a computer science degree? Physics isn't a science? Architecture isn't science? Are you sure about all of that SC?

Don't forget Library Science.

Indeed - knowledge of chemistry is vital to the preservation of the bound books and other materials, including films and tapes, found in a library. Good point, thank you for raising it.

PrintSmith wrote: Indeed - knowledge of chemistry is vital to the preservation of the bound books and other materials, including films and tapes, found in a library. Good point, thank you for raising it.

Hey...no problem. Whatever I can do to further the right wing delusions just makes it more fun for the rest of us. You guys really do crack me up....I am just happy you didn't decide to become a doctor...
I'm sure you think that a degree in the social sciences would qualify you to do surgery.

AGW is a cash cow for scientists and researchers who want to brown nose this green money machine.

archer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Indeed - knowledge of chemistry is vital to the preservation of the bound books and other materials, including films and tapes, found in a library. Good point, thank you for raising it.

Hey...no problem. Whatever I can do to further the right wing delusions just makes it more fun for the rest of us. You guys really do crack me up....I am just happy you didn't decide to become a doctor...
I'm sure you think that a degree in the social sciences would qualify you to do surgery.

Another favorite meme of the "progressive" collectivists - rebutting an argument that was never made. Want to address what I did say instead of attempt to ridicule something I didn't for a change of pace archer? One need not be a climate specialist to know if fundamental procedures used to properly prove a theory are being followed or not. One need not be a surgeon themselves to know that the surgeon erred in picking a dropped instrument from the floor and proceeding to use it on their patient. Or is it your position that only other surgeons are capable of determining whether or not a surgeon has engaged in medical malpractice?

PrintSmith wrote:

Science Chic wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Interesting as well that they are all persons of science.

No, they are not. Did you even look up the signees, or are you just assuming that they are all scientists based on the inflammatory blog titles that are all over the internet on this? There are astronauts, program managers, electrical engineers, flight crew training & operations, a reentry specialist, a quality assurance manager, and several who aren't even identified. One meteorologist and one geologist that I could find.

An engineering degree isn't a science degree? One who has a degree related to computers doesn't have a computer science degree? Physics isn't a science? Architecture isn't science? Are you sure about all of that SC?

This is the standard shibboleth that people like Science Chic trot out when they want everyone to believe unless you have the title "climate scientist" behind your name, then you are in no position to give any opinion about the state of AGW research, it's methodologies or it's possible flaws. In that case, I wish Science Chic would shut up and keep out of the debate, since she is a self claimed genetic lab technician which has poop to do with climate science.

And I don't need the title "scientist" behind my name to recognize hypocrisy.

residenttroll wrote: AGW is a cash cow for scientists and researchers who want to brown nose this green money machine.

A "climate scientist" by definition is a biased career path. It relies heavily on government money- the "climate scientist" would not exist in a free market economy because no such demand exists outside of government funded programs.

One of my best friends spent 13 years in the "operation deep freeze" in Antartica. He is in the top 2% of people who have spent the most time on the ice- he has done several "winter over's" at the south pole station- and many seasons at Mcmurdo station.

First thing he will tell ya- is that this whole AGW thing is probably a scam to keep a bunch of lefties employed in what otherwise would be a dead industry- if not for the government money being poured into this rabbit hole. He will tell you that for these "scientists"- it's not about the truth- it's about that next government grant.

And around the world- are other governments who support this- because they think there will be some American money coming their way after they shame us into paying for what we have done.

Just follow the money trail- and you will see why this bad science is being perpetuated. Like I have said before- if these "climate scientists" ever find data that does not support their "theory"- they will disregard it- hide it- refute it- fight it- till their last dying breath, because their careers depend upon spreading the propaganda that man is destroying the earth.

If any group of engineers, astronauts and scientists know about this fraud- it's those professionals who work at NASA. They see this going on every day- they are in a unique position to put forward opinions that should be paid attention to.

I myself have an engineering degree (Science) in alternative energy- and have seen those who have money to gain- trade their scientific integrity for a buck. I have seen teachers in schools - promote a science that has yet to be proven- millions of kids are already indoctrinated to the idea that we Americans have ruined our earth- and somehow we need to spend all our money to save it.

No-one is looking out for the average joe and jane here- the people who are - have been- and will be- flipping the bill for all this crap. Governments love this - they get to tax our carbon- fund their programs and scare us all into thinking that we must save the planet! It kinda supports the need for governments as well- if they don't save us who will?

When it all comes out - the TRUTH- and it will.....

All those who bought the bait - hook line and sinker- and all those who profited from this bad science- will be written into the history books as the modern day "snake oil salesmen" that they really are....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_agw_smoking_gun.html
If they don't bankrupt the whole country first.

BearMtnHIB wrote:

residenttroll wrote: AGW is a cash cow for scientists and researchers who want to brown nose this green money machine.

A "climate scientist" by definition is a biased career path. It relies heavily on government money- the "climate scientist" would not exist in a free market economy because no such demand exists outside of government funded programs.

You got that 100% right.

BearMtnHIB wrote:
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I myself have an engineering degree (Science) in alternative energy- and have seen those who have money to gain- trade their scientific integrity for a buck. I have seen teachers in schools - promote a science that has yet to be proven- millions of kids are already indoctrinated to the idea that we Americans have ruined our earth- and somehow we need to spend all our money to save it.

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If they don't bankrupt the whole country first.

It's nice to have another informed opinion on the renewable energy front. I was involved with renewable research for almost 15 years, and I've been saying the same thing. There is a lot of promising technology out there, but it's no where near the point of being viable on a large scale, on it's own without massive subsidies. The left is always claiming that conservatives are "anti-science" while they go on themselves promoting dubious research all in the name of a higher ideology. AGW, renewable and other green science is a lot like religion for the left. I remember that the Catholic Church's variety of "science" didn't fare to well when Galileo came along.