Civil Unions Pass In Colorado?

Arlen wrote: Marriage is for the perpetuation of the family; i.e., children.
A gay marriage cannot create children between the partners.
The ideal family that our society promotes is one male father and one female mother for the children. Everything else is less than ideal and should not be promoted.

Thanks for the biology lesson. So... without legal civil unions, we'll have less same-sex couple living together? Simple question.

So couples should be forced to take a fertility exam prior to being issued a marriage license?

"Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.

Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12thand/ early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century."

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

BearMtnHIB wrote: I'm stickin with what has worked for more than a thousand years.

You can't even get your facts straight...

Marriage licenses began to be issued in the Middle Ages, to permit a marriage which would otherwise be illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_license

Read some history...

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Arlen wrote: Marriage is for the perpetuation of the family; i.e., children.
A gay marriage cannot create children between the partners.
The ideal family that our society promotes is one male father and one female mother for the children. Everything else is less than ideal and should not be promoted.

Thanks for the biology lesson. So... without legal civil unions, we'll have less same-sex couple living together? Simple question.

Who cares if they live together? Who cares if they marry each other without legal recognition? Who cares if they have a contractual agreement? Who cares?

Something the Dog Said wrote: So couples should be forced to take a fertility exam prior to being issued a marriage license?

Liberals always want to make the exception the rule.
Heterosexual couples may not have children, but they fit the pattern intended to perpetuate society.
Ideals are set so that there is something to which we aspire. Ideals are not minimums.
Legal benefits are given by law to encourage (among other things) the perpetuation of children, their protection, and their property rights through inheritance.

Something the Dog Said wrote: "Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.

Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12thand/ early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century."

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

Why do you want to make a legal issue into a religious issue?

Arlen wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: "Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.

Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12thand/ early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century."

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

Why do you want to make a legal issue into a religious issue?

cited to rebut the allegation that marriage has only been between man and woman for thousand years.

Arlen wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: So couples should be forced to take a fertility exam prior to being issued a marriage license?

Liberals always want to make the exception the rule.
Heterosexual couples may not have children, but they fit the pattern intended to perpetuate society.
Ideals are set so that there is something to which we aspire. Ideals are not minimums.
Legal benefits are given by law to encourage (among other things) the perpetuation of children, their protection, and their property rights through inheritance.

As would happen in gay marriage by encouraging adoption as well as in vitro impregnation.

FYI, this bill is dead: http://www.9news.com/news/article/267940/71/Colorados-civil-unions-bill-dies-in-committee-