A Woman's Right to Choose...

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

bailey bud wrote: I'm pro-life, but anti-meddle.

Women have the right to choose - both Democrat and republican appointees have made that clear.

At the same time, the courts have been tolerant of states that opt to inform women of the issues
embroiled in their choice - which I'd imagine would include ethics (or lack thereof) of misogyny.

I find efforts to legislate morality tiring, inefficient, and ineffective. The state is a lousy vehicle for morality. All it can bring us is a bunch of noise. State-imposed morality does not save lives. Operation Rescue has saved more lives than any personhood amendment . Your local crisis pregnancy center has likely saved more lives than Operation Rescue. How do they do it? Simple - they have a conversation.

Is a simple conversation and a prayer really that scary?

I am Pro-Life but Pro-Choice supportive.

But I would like to ask the Pro-Choice woman on 285 Bound a simple question. I am totally comfortable with and supportive of your legal and personal right to an abortion and I have no compunction to ever try to change the law. But why do I always get the feeling that my support is not enough and I have to ideologically be on the same page with your reason(s) for your decision(s)?

What gives?

I'm not sure you are reading us....well me....right. No one is asking that you support abortion, only the law that makes it legal. I understand that there are religious objections to having an abortion, and there are moral, non-religious, objections to it. I respect that. That is everyone's private right to their own opinion. No one is asking those that object to abortion to have one. All I ever ask others is to respect my, and other women's, right to make that choice with their doctor.....not have that choice made by the government or that portion of the population that disagrees with it. It is the law of the land. I'm sorry you don't feel that your support is enough, how did you come to that opinion? I have seen LJ post over and over again that if you find abortion to be against your personal beliefs, don't have one. What could be clearer than that?

archer wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

bailey bud wrote: I'm pro-life, but anti-meddle.

Women have the right to choose - both Democrat and republican appointees have made that clear.

At the same time, the courts have been tolerant of states that opt to inform women of the issues
embroiled in their choice - which I'd imagine would include ethics (or lack thereof) of misogyny.

I find efforts to legislate morality tiring, inefficient, and ineffective. The state is a lousy vehicle for morality. All it can bring us is a bunch of noise. State-imposed morality does not save lives. Operation Rescue has saved more lives than any personhood amendment . Your local crisis pregnancy center has likely saved more lives than Operation Rescue. How do they do it? Simple - they have a conversation.

Is a simple conversation and a prayer really that scary?

I am Pro-Life but Pro-Choice supportive.

But I would like to ask the Pro-Choice woman on 285 Bound a simple question. I am totally comfortable with and supportive of your legal and personal right to an abortion and I have no compunction to ever try to change the law. But why do I always get the feeling that my support is not enough and I have to ideologically be on the same page with your reason(s) for your decision(s)?

What gives?

I'm not sure you are reading us....well me....right. No one is asking that you support abortion, only the law that makes it legal. I understand that there are religious objections to having an abortion, and there are moral, non-religious, objections to it. I respect that. That is everyone's private right to their own opinion. No one is asking those that object to abortion to have one. All I ever ask others is to respect my, and other women's, right to make that choice with their doctor.....not have that choice made by the government or that portion of the population that disagrees with it. It is the law of the land. I'm sorry you don't feel that your support is enough, how did you come to that opinion? I have seen LJ post over and over again that if you find abortion to be against your personal beliefs, don't have one. What could be clearer than that?

I'm not sure you are reading me... right. If you were my wife, girlfriend, partner and you wanted an abortion, I would not only support the law, I would be supportive of that abortion. I have no religious objections... I'm an atheist.

But I have been told that I can't be supportive of a woman's right because I have a personal moral objection to it. I have my own opinion about the fetus, I think it is human, well at least until someone can prove to me it would form into anything else, like a rabbit, then I consider the finished product will be human. But my support has been shunned because ideologically I cannot accept that it is a only fetus and nothing more. My support has been rejected because ideologically I cannot accept the act of an abortion, for me, to be morally right.

If you have no problem with my position, I have no problem with your choice. But I've be berated by woman who cannot give me the same respect for my position as I can give them.

Am I being clear enough?

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

archer wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

bailey bud wrote: I'm pro-life, but anti-meddle.

Women have the right to choose - both Democrat and republican appointees have made that clear.

At the same time, the courts have been tolerant of states that opt to inform women of the issues
embroiled in their choice - which I'd imagine would include ethics (or lack thereof) of misogyny.

I find efforts to legislate morality tiring, inefficient, and ineffective. The state is a lousy vehicle for morality. All it can bring us is a bunch of noise. State-imposed morality does not save lives. Operation Rescue has saved more lives than any personhood amendment . Your local crisis pregnancy center has likely saved more lives than Operation Rescue. How do they do it? Simple - they have a conversation.

Is a simple conversation and a prayer really that scary?

I am Pro-Life but Pro-Choice supportive.

But I would like to ask the Pro-Choice woman on 285 Bound a simple question. I am totally comfortable with and supportive of your legal and personal right to an abortion and I have no compunction to ever try to change the law. But why do I always get the feeling that my support is not enough and I have to ideologically be on the same page with your reason(s) for your decision(s)?

What gives?

I'm not sure you are reading us....well me....right. No one is asking that you support abortion, only the law that makes it legal. I understand that there are religious objections to having an abortion, and there are moral, non-religious, objections to it. I respect that. That is everyone's private right to their own opinion. No one is asking those that object to abortion to have one. All I ever ask others is to respect my, and other women's, right to make that choice with their doctor.....not have that choice made by the government or that portion of the population that disagrees with it. It is the law of the land. I'm sorry you don't feel that your support is enough, how did you come to that opinion? I have seen LJ post over and over again that if you find abortion to be against your personal beliefs, don't have one. What could be clearer than that?

I'm not sure you are reading me... right. If you were my wife, girlfriend, partner and you wanted an abortion, I would not only support the law, I would be supportive of that abortion. I have no religious objections... I'm an atheist.

But I have been told that I can't be supportive of a woman's right because I have a personal moral objection to it. I have my own opinion about the fetus, I think it is human, well at least until someone can prove to me it would form into anything else, like a rabbit, then I consider the finished product will be human. But my support has been shunned because ideologically I cannot accept that it is a only fetus and nothing more. My support has been rejected because ideologically I cannot accept the act of an abortion, for me, to be morally right.

If you have no problem with my position, I have no problem with your choice. But I've be berated by woman who cannot give me the same respect for my position as I can give them.

Am I being clear enough?

Yes....which is why I stated in my post that I know that there are those who have moral/non-religious objections to abortion. I also state that I respect that.....and I do. I have no problem with your position, I'm surprised that anyone does. For me....it's all about rights and privacy......I respect anyone's right to have an opinion other than my own.....as long as they don't try to impose that opinion on me and/or others.

archer wrote: Yes....which is why I stated in my post that I know that there are those who have moral/non-religious objections to abortion. I also state that I respect that.....and I do. I have no problem with your position, I'm surprised that anyone does. For me....it's all about rights and privacy......I respect anyone's right to have an opinion other than my own.....as long as they don't try to impose that opinion on me and/or others.

To put it simply... yes, I have come across woman who don't respect (or accept) my support unless I can 100% agree with their opinion about abortions.

Well --- communicating my opinion - even with passion - in no way reduces your ability to make your own choices.

Sure - it might make your choice uncomfortable --- but confort is not guaranteed by the Constitution (the ACLU agrees)

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

archer wrote: Yes....which is why I stated in my post that I know that there are those who have moral/non-religious objections to abortion. I also state that I respect that.....and I do. I have no problem with your position, I'm surprised that anyone does. For me....it's all about rights and privacy......I respect anyone's right to have an opinion other than my own.....as long as they don't try to impose that opinion on me and/or others.

To put it simply... yes, I have come across woman who don't respect (or accept) my support unless I can 100% agree with their opinion about abortions.

Not much you can do about that.....

I think I have a pretty similar view of abortion as TLGT and bailey bud...I'm not going to tell a woman what she should or shouldn't do with her and the father's fetus, I just know it's not something that should be done casually like birth control.

But this thread is about picking and choosinng which sex should live and which sex should die. Would you object to not allowing a woman to know what the sex is of her fetus if she is planning on having an abortion? Lets say she's on the fence and not sure...then she finds out it's a boy and suddenly an abortion is out of the question...she always wanted a boy and not a girl. Why would this choice be a good one for society? What if we could some day find a "gay gene" and people were able to kill a gay baby if they didn't like gay people?

CB,
Interesting idea, don't take away the right of women to have an abortion, but take away the ability to find out the sex until the last trimester. Or is that usually pretty easy to figure out? I admit, "I don't know nothing about birthing no babies".

I don't know how anyone could find out the sex of the baby without some sort of ultrasound. What possible reason would a woman have for wanting to know the sex if she knows it's going to get cut up and flushed anyway? Anyone?

And BTW, like every undercover sting, this is an "isolated incident" says PP. Ya, I'm sure it must be :Whistle

archer wrote: I'm not sure you are reading us....well me....right. No one is asking that you support abortion, only the law that makes it legal.

I think you've got that backwards...

We just want your opposition to be sound, and forceful, when they try to outlaw it.

This was the main reason I disagreed with the idea of the civil unions bill to approve of, or provide rights.

You have the rights already. Heck, go in and say "I was hoping for triplets with two heads, each", and have an abortion. It's none of my business, and you have absolutely every right to do so. It's nobody's business but your own.

Start being worried, start being concerned, when the goverment has the ability to start deciding what you are allowed to do, not what it is going to prevent you from doing.

edited to add: okay, worry in both instances, but be more afraid than normal when the government has to "approve" rights you already have.