Arlen wrote: Why should I spend time educating you on the history of civilization? Every time that a liberal cannot dispute an argument, the liberal yells "SOURCE, PLEASE". That is so tiresome.
But thanks for playing.
Which is the right-wing moron's equivalent of "I don't have a source"...
Science Chic wrote:
Why does a woman need to know the sex if she's planning on killing it? Well, if she wants a particular gender then it helps if she actually knows what the gender is before making the decision to go through with it. If she's aborting for another reason, then she wouldn't need to know the gender. But this seems like a pretty obvious question, did you mean something else?
Just wanted to find out if you had a problem with a woman killing off a certain gender until she gets the gender she wants. I got my answer, thank you.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think my answer is? (I ask only because you only quoted this one portion of my post and this paragraph says nothing of whether I have a problem with abortions based on gender selection)
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Women have the right to choose - both Democrat and republican appointees have made that clear.
At the same time, the courts have been tolerant of states that opt to inform women of the issues
embroiled in their choice - which I'd imagine would include ethics (or lack thereof) of misogyny.
I find efforts to legislate morality tiring, inefficient, and ineffective. The state is a lousy vehicle for morality. All it can bring us is a bunch of noise. State-imposed morality does not save lives. Operation Rescue has saved more lives than any personhood amendment . Your local crisis pregnancy center has likely saved more lives than Operation Rescue. How do they do it? Simple - they have a conversation.
Is a simple conversation and a prayer really that scary?
I am Pro-Life but Pro-Choice supportive.
But I would like to ask the Pro-Choice woman on 285 Bound a simple question. I am totally comfortable with and supportive of your legal and personal right to an abortion and I have no compunction to ever try to change the law. But why do I always get the feeling that my support is not enough and I have to ideologically be on the same page with your reason(s) for your decision(s)?
What gives?
Seriously now..Don't flatter yourself, I don't think anyone cares what you think..You post every thought you've ever had and quite frankly they became tiresome about 3000 posts ago
Science Chic wrote:
Why does a woman need to know the sex if she's planning on killing it? Well, if she wants a particular gender then it helps if she actually knows what the gender is before making the decision to go through with it. If she's aborting for another reason, then she wouldn't need to know the gender. But this seems like a pretty obvious question, did you mean something else?
Just wanted to find out if you had a problem with a woman killing off a certain gender until she gets the gender she wants. I got my answer, thank you.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think my answer is? (I ask only because you only quoted this one portion of my post and this paragraph says nothing of whether I have a problem with abortions based on gender selection)
I found your answer here:
A moral consideration? No more so than having an abortion for any other reason; an abortion is an abortion, which is legal, and the reason doesn't really matter - as I said before, it all comes out in the wash on a population genetics level. Is it more justified to have one because the fetus has been diagnosed with a terminal disease than because it will have blue eyes? Yes I think so, but that's not my choice to make for someone else. If we start putting qualifications on what abortions are allowed and which aren't, then we increase government regulation, bureaucracy, paperwork, cost, and abuse (by participants lying) - I really don't want to go there, do you?
I'm not religious at all, but I believe there are natural laws in life that man has broken, including the ability to kill the unborn at will. I've come to accept abortion as a last resort...still think it's an abomination but I accept it. What I can't except is this idea that it's ok to kill until you get a desired result...I think there is a huge difference between that and having an abortion because of rape, incest, or financial burden.
Just the thought of casually killing off a little girl or boy because they happen to have the wrong parts makes me sick. I'm sure I'd feel different if I didn't have my own two girls and a boy...but still would think it morally wrong. And as I said before, if we could determine a gay gene, I'll bet there would be a bit more outrage from the LGBT community if gay fetuses were being flushed because they didn't fit in with the parent's plan.
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
Its a made up problem (don't we have enough real ones?). I've never heard of anybody flushing a fetus because it was going to one day be a boy or a girl..
Science Chic wrote:
Why does a woman need to know the sex if she's planning on killing it? Well, if she wants a particular gender then it helps if she actually knows what the gender is before making the decision to go through with it. If she's aborting for another reason, then she wouldn't need to know the gender. But this seems like a pretty obvious question, did you mean something else?
Just wanted to find out if you had a problem with a woman killing off a certain gender until she gets the gender she wants. I got my answer, thank you.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think my answer is? (I ask only because you only quoted this one portion of my post and this paragraph says nothing of whether I have a problem with abortions based on gender selection)
I found your answer here:
A moral consideration? No more so than having an abortion for any other reason; an abortion is an abortion, which is legal, and the reason doesn't really matter - as I said before, it all comes out in the wash on a population genetics level. Is it more justified to have one because the fetus has been diagnosed with a terminal disease than because it will have blue eyes? Yes I think so, but that's not my choice to make for someone else. If we start putting qualifications on what abortions are allowed and which aren't, then we increase government regulation, bureaucracy, paperwork, cost, and abuse (by participants lying) - I really don't want to go there, do you?
I'm not religious at all, but I believe there are natural laws in life that man has broken, including the ability to kill the unborn at will. I've come to accept abortion as a last resort...still think it's an abomination but I accept it. What I can't except is this idea that it's ok to kill until you get a desired result...I think there is a huge difference between that and having an abortion because of rape, incest, or financial burden.
Just the thought of casually killing off a little girl or boy because they happen to have the wrong parts makes me sick. I'm sure I'd feel different if I didn't have my own two girls and a boy...but still would think it morally wrong. And as I said before, if we could determine a gay gene, I'll bet there would be a bit more outrage from the LGBT community if gay fetuses were being flushed because they didn't fit in with the parent's plan.
Ahhh, but that's not where MY answer was. What you quoted above is a philosopher's point of view, not my personal belief about whether it's okay to abort based on gender.
Science Chic wrote: I think it's a ridiculous reason to have an abortion - if you are that keen on having one gender over another, then do in vitro fertilization and increase your chances (it's not a perfect method but they can separate out female from male sperm based on speed).
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As I've said before, I am opposed to abortion as a method of birth control or to choose what traits a parent supposedly wants in their child (amazing how what we want for our kids often gets foiled by their own plans for themselves, that control is an illusion)
So now I'm really curious - what bias made you miss my obvious personal answer and skip to the general philosopher answer - is that what you were expecting me to answer, or what you'd stereotype a female liberal to support? tongue: I'm not trying to knock ya, I'm just looking for some introspection (thinking's always more fun!).
O/T, I have a 285 Tourism map for you if you'd like it (you just have to finally sit down and have lunch with me or join us for a Bound lunch group!). Or you can look at an itty-bitty version
here
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Vice Lord wrote: Its a made up problem (don't we have enough real ones?). I've never heard of anybody flushing a fetus because it was going to one day be a boy or a girl..
Guess you need to get more learning than because it is a real big problem overseas. 20% more boys than girls are being both in some countries.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Vice Lord wrote: Its a made up problem (don't we have enough real ones?). I've never heard of anybody flushing a fetus because it was going to one day be a boy or a girl..
Oh I see, see YOU have never heard of it, then it doesn't exist. Ignorant asshole.
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
Vice Lord wrote: Its a made up problem (don't we have enough real ones?). I've never heard of anybody flushing a fetus because it was going to one day be a boy or a girl..
Oh I see, see YOU have never heard of it, then it doesn't exist. Ignorant asshole.
He's not ignorant, he lives in his own reality that mostly overlaps with ours, except when he'd rather it doesn't - Like on this topic.
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
What you quoted above is a philosopher's point of view, not my personal belief about whether it's okay to abort based on gender.
