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A Woman's Right to Choose...
01 Jun 2012 09:06 #51
by Rick
) And yes, I'm still down for lunch...now that ids are out of school and my house project is almost done :thumbsup:
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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Now I'm really confused...who is this philosopher you are quoting? I know you like to post lots of articles but there is nothing in your pst that would indicate your statements were not your own. I'm not trying to stereotype you at all and I knew you were pro-choice but didn't believe in abortion yourself. I just didn't see anything in your remarks that would tell me that you had a problem with gender based abortions...maybe you could point your personal answer out? I'm not knocking you either, in fact I enjoy the fact that you and I can actually have a civil debate (even though you would probably be able to outsmart me in a real debateScience Chic wrote:
Ahhh, but that's not where MY answer was.CritiKalbILL wrote:
I found your answer here:Science Chic wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what do you think my answer is? (I ask only because you only quoted this one portion of my post and this paragraph says nothing of whether I have a problem with abortions based on gender selection)CritiKalbILL wrote:
Just wanted to find out if you had a problem with a woman killing off a certain gender until she gets the gender she wants. I got my answer, thank you.Science Chic wrote:
CritiKalbILL wrote:
Science Chic wrote:
Why does a woman need to know the sex if she's planning on killing it? Well, if she wants a particular gender then it helps if she actually knows what the gender is before making the decision to go through with it. If she's aborting for another reason, then she wouldn't need to know the gender. But this seems like a pretty obvious question, did you mean something else?A moral consideration? No more so than having an abortion for any other reason; an abortion is an abortion, which is legal, and the reason doesn't really matter - as I said before, it all comes out in the wash on a population genetics level. Is it more justified to have one because the fetus has been diagnosed with a terminal disease than because it will have blue eyes? Yes I think so, but that's not my choice to make for someone else. If we start putting qualifications on what abortions are allowed and which aren't, then we increase government regulation, bureaucracy, paperwork, cost, and abuse (by participants lying) - I really don't want to go there, do you?
I'm not religious at all, but I believe there are natural laws in life that man has broken, including the ability to kill the unborn at will. I've come to accept abortion as a last resort...still think it's an abomination but I accept it. What I can't except is this idea that it's ok to kill until you get a desired result...I think there is a huge difference between that and having an abortion because of rape, incest, or financial burden.
Just the thought of casually killing off a little girl or boy because they happen to have the wrong parts makes me sick. I'm sure I'd feel different if I didn't have my own two girls and a boy...but still would think it morally wrong. And as I said before, if we could determine a gay gene, I'll bet there would be a bit more outrage from the LGBT community if gay fetuses were being flushed because they didn't fit in with the parent's plan.So now I'm really curious - what bias made you miss my obvious personal answer and skip to the general philosopher answer - is that what you were expecting me to answer, or what you'd stereotype a female liberal to support? tongue: I'm not trying to knock ya, I'm just looking for some introspection (thinking's always more fun!).Science Chic wrote: I think it's a ridiculous reason to have an abortion - if you are that keen on having one gender over another, then do in vitro fertilization and increase your chances (it's not a perfect method but they can separate out female from male sperm based on speed).
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As I've said before, I am opposed to abortion as a method of birth control or to choose what traits a parent supposedly wants in their child (amazing how what we want for our kids often gets foiled by their own plans for themselves, that control is an illusion)
O/T, I have a 285 Tourism map for you if you'd like it (you just have to finally sit down and have lunch with me or join us for a Bound lunch group!). Or you can look at an itty-bitty version here
) And yes, I'm still down for lunch...now that ids are out of school and my house project is almost done :thumbsup: The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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01 Jun 2012 15:05 #58
by Rick
Centrist? You mean like you? Ya, I'm sure you'd like to see a Supreme Courtr full of centrists
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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rofllolLadyJazzer wrote: Yep...That's why I would NEVER vote for a Republican... All we need is one more centrist, and the partisan GOP block of goons on the SCOTUS are effectively nullified.
Nice deflection from the question on the table, though.
Centrist? You mean like you? Ya, I'm sure you'd like to see a Supreme Courtr full of centrists The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
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01 Jun 2012 15:29 #59
by ScienceChic
No specific philosopher quoted, which is why I said "a" philosopher's POV (as I've said before, I'm no expert in anything, and am probably just knowledgeable enough to be dangerous in most things, and I've loved the philosophy courses/books I've read - it's still just my POV, but from a stepped-back perspective, not from my own opinion on the matter.)
As I said in my earlier post, my answer to your question of how I feel about a woman (or man) choosing an abortion based on gender:
Thanks for asking though, I appreciate it. I'll PM ya about lunch! Have a good night everyone!!
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Sorry, I've been out and about all day with a meeting, a Grand Opening at the Mountain Peace Boutique to stop by and check out and congratulate Kathy on, and more map deliveries.CritiKalbILL wrote: Now I'm really confused...who is this philosopher you are quoting? I know you like to post lots of articles but there is nothing in your pst that would indicate your statements were not your own. I'm not trying to stereotype you at all and I knew you were pro-choice but didn't believe in abortion yourself. I just didn't see anything in your remarks that would tell me that you had a problem with gender based abortions...maybe you could point your personal answer out? I'm not knocking you either, in fact I enjoy the fact that you and I can actually have a civil debate (even though you would probably be able to outsmart me in a real debate
No specific philosopher quoted, which is why I said "a" philosopher's POV (as I've said before, I'm no expert in anything, and am probably just knowledgeable enough to be dangerous in most things, and I've loved the philosophy courses/books I've read - it's still just my POV, but from a stepped-back perspective, not from my own opinion on the matter.)
As I said in my earlier post, my answer to your question of how I feel about a woman (or man) choosing an abortion based on gender:
Do I have a problem with it? I guess in the end you could say that I really don't get upset by it, because I also said, it comes out in the wash from a population genetics POV. From a standpoint of what it means for the moral fabric of our society, there are certainly worse things, and more ridiculous reasons that people use for the choices they make that impact others lives and that would make for a great in-depth, broader topic of discussion. Unfortunately, I am out the door again (another webcam install to do) and can't put the time in right now that I'd like on this.Science Chic wrote: I think it's a ridiculous reason to have an abortion - if you are that keen on having one gender over another, then do in vitro fertilization and increase your chances (it's not a perfect method but they can separate out female from male sperm based on speed).
Thanks for asking though, I appreciate it. I'll PM ya about lunch! Have a good night everyone!!
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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