Obama exerts executive privilege over Fast/Furious documents

21 Jun 2012 07:52 #51 by Martin Ent Inc
When they do come or pass their agenda, LJ and archer will be the first in line to give up their guns and freedoms. In fact they are always first in line to give up their freedoms.

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21 Jun 2012 07:59 #52 by FredHayek

Democracy4Sale wrote:

NRA Claims "Massive Obama Conspiracy" NOT to ban guns...

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No facts... No proof... Just the usual tin-foil hat bat-sh*t-crazy conspiracy bullsh*t... And somehow(?) Holder is responsible for letting guns go over the border to do bad things to "enrage the public" so they can make war on the Second Amendment and take away people's guns...

You CAN NOT MAKE THIS SH*T UP!!

And funny thing... All of the gullible GOP guys on the committee are speaking the SAME NRA talking points within days... Hmmmmm.

You're going to need a LOT more tin-foil...



Sorry, you may call it tin foil, but I truly believe the Obama administration intended to use the drug violence in Mexico as an excuse to clamp down on gun rights, especially in the border states. ATF even tried to implement a system where purchase of more than one rifle had to be reported to the feds.

See how the press pumped up the violence on the border stories even when you were stating that violence was actually down on the border.

Hilary Clinton toured the border declaring that American guns were causing this. Pretty funny when one of the worst groups, the Zetas were former soldiers who deserted with their weapons. Think they want to buy American .22 rifles when they already have American built fully automatic M-16's supplied by the US goverment and Colt.

Obama knew he has to come up with a justification for any new gun control, so he had his stooge Holder, funnel weapons to Mexico.

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21 Jun 2012 08:19 #53 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote: Sorry, you may call it tin foil, but I truly believe the Obama administration intended to use the drug violence in Mexico as an excuse to clamp down on gun rights,



I'm absolutely sure that you do... That's what's so scary... :VeryScared:

:Koolaid:

He's done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to ban guns or take away rights...and somehow, that's PROOF to the numbnuts that he's up to something. You better go buy some more ammunition, quick!

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21 Jun 2012 08:28 #54 by Martin Ent Inc
And FYI, tin foil hasn't been made since the 50's.
It is now aluminum foil.

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21 Jun 2012 08:31 #55 by LadyJazzer

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21 Jun 2012 08:32 #56 by LadyJazzer
But it is gratifying to know that in an election year the GOP is "focused on jobs, jobs, jobs..." I wonder how many jobs are being created by this phony witch hunt?

(And if the GOP was as overwrought and upset about an unnecessary death as they seem to be over this one, perhaps they could work up a gave-a-damn about the 5,000 unnecessary deaths in Iraq, the 2,000 unnecessary deaths in Afghanistan, and the tens-of-thousands of permanently disabled people who were wasted fighting unnecessary wars because of lies and cooked intelligence?)

I wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of Operation "Wide Receiver", since that was the genesis of the problem?

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21 Jun 2012 08:54 #57 by Reverend Revelant

Democracy4Sale wrote: But it is gratifying to know that in an election year the GOP is "focused on jobs, jobs, jobs..." I wonder how many jobs are being created by this phony witch hunt?


Maybe you didn't notice... but the House committee looking into this started WAY before the election year.

In the Congress, Representative Darrell Issa (R–CA–49), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Senator Chuck Grassley (R–IA), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, have been investigating "gunwalking" operations.[49] On January 27, 2011, Grassley wrote a letter to ATF Acting Director Kenneth E. Melson requesting information about the ATF-sanctioned sale of hundreds of firearms to straw purchasers. The letter mentioned a number of allegations that walked guns were used in the fight that killed Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.[50] A second letter from Grassley on January 31 accused the ATF of targeting whistleblowers.[51]


That shoots down your stupid-assed argument. Thanks for playing.

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21 Jun 2012 09:12 #58 by PrintSmith
Would someone please quote my response regarding the difference between "Wide Receiver" and "Fast and Furious" from the last page and this offering so that SFB can see and respond to a reasoned and logical response to her lunatic ravings? Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

If indeed this was a "phony witch hunt" instead of an investigation into alleged violations of federal law which the head of the "Justice" Department is hindering, there would be no need to hide the documents. As our president himself has said, “The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” What is it that Holder is trying to hide by not disclosing the documents? We know for a fact that Holder has lied to the committee at least twice already while under oath and has been given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to walk back his earlier testimony and correct it.

If, for once, the story line told by Obama was accurate and he had absolutely no knowledge of anything regarding "Fast and Furious" until it was brought to his attention by a newscast, then he has no claim to executive privilege regarding any documentation that the oversight committee is seeking because nothing about the operation would have fallen under the exercising of his executive duties by him. If, on the other hand, those documents regarding "Fast and Furious" were prepared for him by Holder and the people over at "Justice", then his use of executive privilege would be proper, but he then has a larger problem of trying to explain why operations which involved intentionally providing weapons to drug cartels without making any efforts to either inform the Mexican government of those operations, or take the necessary and proper steps to recover the weapons once they were allowed to be purchased as part of the sting operation were allowed to take place with his knowledge that it was being done and why he has been intentionally deceiving the populace for the last 18 months by claiming he knew absolutely nothing about it.

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21 Jun 2012 09:23 #59 by Reverend Revelant

Democracy4Sale wrote: But it is gratifying to know that in an election year the GOP is "focused on jobs, jobs, jobs..." I wonder how many jobs are being created by this phony witch hunt?


Here... read this...

PrintSmith wrote: Would someone please quote my response regarding the difference between "Wide Receiver" and "Fast and Furious" from the last page and this offering so that SFB can see and respond to a reasoned and logical response to her lunatic ravings? Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.

If indeed this was a "phony witch hunt" instead of an investigation into alleged violations of federal law which the head of the "Justice" Department is hindering, there would be no need to hide the documents. As our president himself has said, “The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” What is it that Holder is trying to hide by not disclosing the documents? We know for a fact that Holder has lied to the committee at least twice already while under oath and has been given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to walk back his earlier testimony and correct it.

If, for once, the story line told by Obama was accurate and he had absolutely no knowledge of anything regarding "Fast and Furious" until it was brought to his attention by a newscast, then he has no claim to executive privilege regarding any documentation that the oversight committee is seeking because nothing about the operation would have fallen under the exercising of his executive duties by him. If, on the other hand, those documents regarding "Fast and Furious" were prepared for him by Holder and the people over at "Justice", then his use of executive privilege would be proper, but he then has a larger problem of trying to explain why operations which involved intentionally providing weapons to drug cartels without making any efforts to either inform the Mexican government of those operations, or take the necessary and proper steps to recover the weapons once they were allowed to be purchased as part of the sting operation were allowed to take place with his knowledge that it was being done and why he has been intentionally deceiving the populace for the last 18 months by claiming he knew absolutely nothing about it.


I know you're not going to be able to respond to PrintSmith if the answer is not in your Huffington's Post play book... but try real hard.

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21 Jun 2012 12:43 #60 by plaidvillain
Said it months ago, will say it again: ZERO evidence of any wrong doing. Witch hunt?...yeah. Fishing expedition?...definitely! Waste of taxpayer money?...without doubt. This "investigation " is just another partisan distraction to avert your eyes from the fact Congress hasn't done anything to work in the people's interest - only their own pursuit of power. Where are the jobs all these Reps promised were top priority? They've only worked to damage this nation. Traitors. And you suckers line up to defend them...fools.

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