Raees wrote: Toad, Toad. BOTH of your links are to last year's stories... Surely with all your outrage, you can find something more recent....
You want a more recent story? Here's one...
Democrats have jumped on Ryan’s budget proposal since he first presented it in 2011. His plan called for a massive change to Medicare — stopping the current Medicare system in 2022 for new beneficiaries and instead launching a so-called “premium-support” system, where seniors would pick from a choice of private plans on a new Medicare exchange with the help of government-provided subsidies. Claims that this would “end Medicare” — claims that were usually accompanied by images of elderly individuals — left the false impression that the Ryan plan would get rid of any kind of insurance program for seniors.
Furthermore, this plan didn’t pertain to the seniors pictured in the attack ads — they would remain on traditional Medicare, with only new beneficiaries in 2022 and beyond joining the private system. The claim made our list of the “Whoppers of 2011,” and so far, Democrats are making a good case for its inclusion in our 2012 list.
Here’s a quick rundown of the latest Ryan plan:
■For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.
■Beginning in 2023, 65-year-olds would have their choice of insurance plans — private and traditional — on a new Medicare exchange. A premium-support payment, like a subsidy, would be sent to the plan of their choice.
■If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support, the senior would pay the difference.
■The Medicare eligibility age would be slowly raised to 67 by 2034.
■All plans on the Medicare exchange would offer a base level of benefits, and they would be regulated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
■The premium-support payments would be tied to the second-cheapest plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. If the cost does grow faster, Congress would be required to step in and take some action to keep costs down.
Choice of private plans. Medicare exchange. Subsidies. Wow, this is Obamacare for seniors!
It looks like there really isn't that big a difference between Dems and Repubs. Well, at the very least it's better than the Dem's plan because they don't even have one. lol
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
At least Ryan has the courage to throw his plan out there for criticism. If it does nothing else, it may force the "kick the can" do nothings to show their cards and offer another idea. Medicare as we know it is going to end/change one way or another. Same for SS
If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
At least Obama has a jobs bill that's been held up in the Senate for nearly two years... (While they've managed to vote to repeal ObamaCare 33 times...and lost.) Imagine that.
Democracy4Sale wrote: At least Obama has a jobs bill that's been held up in the Senate for nearly two years... (While they've managed to vote to repeal ObamaCare 33 times...and lost.) Imagine that.
It looks like this accidently got posted in a Medicare thread. I'm sure it was ment to go in one of the Jobs threads. lol
Democracy4Sale wrote: At least Obama has a jobs bill that's been held up in the Senate for nearly two years... (While they've managed to vote to repeal ObamaCare 33 times...and lost.) Imagine that.
I'd like to see anything that says the Senate had voted on the proposal to repeal the ACA even once, let alone 33 times.
So help me understand, according to the conservatives the Democrats have no plan for the future of Medicare, but the non-existent Democrat plan will gut Medicare. The conservative spin is making me dizzy. This is as bad as hypocritikalbill's spin that Ryan deserved his over a million dollars from his government job at the same time he claims there is no such thing as a government job.
FYI, the key difference between the ACA provisions for Medicare and Ryan's plan is that Ryan's plan would raise the out of pocket for the elderly and infirm by $6500 per year and allow medical providers to enrich themselves, while the ACA provisions would force medical providers to become more efficient.
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
PrintSmith wrote: Every senior incurs in excess of $6500 a year in medical services Dog? Really? Have anything to back up that claim?
Where did I make that statement? Don't post lies for me to rebut, try honesty instead. Under the Ryan plan, the "vouchers" will be insufficient to cover the private health insurance that Ryan is attempting to force future Medicare recipients to purchase. According to the Congressional Budget Office, those recipients would have to pay $6500 annually to pay the premiums since Ryan's vouchers will be woefully insufficient. Since you have stated that you will be one of those individuals, you will be paying $6500 out of pocket for those premiums.
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
And in the process, by incurring that additional cost myself, I can save the generations which follow me that annual cost out of their pockets, along with the cost of the interest the federal government will have to pay to borrow the money to save me that $6500.
And yet the "progressives" want to call me selfish because I am thinking of the posterity more than I am thinking of myself - go figure . . . . .
