Still don't have anything except "Not Obama", do you?

And just one more thing. I am all for you guys that want free contraception and other free things. But have you considered how to pay for it? This is not about the emotional "Oh I can't afford my own contraception" thing of a college student that can afford it. We absolutely should help those who need contraception it will help our economy and people in our county. the flawed issue with the college student is she is a college student that most likely can afford it she just thinks she DESERVES it. Two totally different things.

We need to think about things to see if the make sense. Don't take a stand because of RIGHT OR WRONG. Right and wrong are in the eye of the beholder. Can we afford contraception for anyone that wants it? Even those who can afford it. If you can afford it shame on you for taking it. That is the culture I am talking about.

CinnamonGirl wrote: But have you considered how to pay for it?

Yes...The private insurance companies through their policies and their premiums. NO ONE is suggesting that the gubm'nt pay for it. Who's paying for Viagra coverage now?

Oh yes they are. Forcing the private sector to do what the government wants is the same damn thing.

And who cares about Viagra it has nothing to do with this. Is there a long term consequence for those who can't get a H*rd on?

No, it isn't. Companies cover viagra now, and they all do it. No one is going to the gubm'nt to get free viagra.

Sorry, but your "Who's going to pay for it" doesn't hold water. It's private insurance, paid for by premiums. Gubm'nt has been telling insurance companies for years about certain things that they have to cover, (PAP smears, mammograms, etc.) NONE OF WHICH comes out of the Gubm'nts funds.

Nice try, though.

LJ, I have no idea what you are talking about. What do you mean it is paid for by premiums. If you force the private sector to do something it is paid for by someone. I am not in favor of forcing private sector to do what you want at your whim. I don't know why they cover viagra over contraception but we live in a free society. One thing I know health care needs is competition.

My son had a serious brain tumor and we were very lucky to live in the US he had access to the specialized doctors. I have talked to many people with state run health care in other countries that can't even get in to see a doctor for months. My son would have died by then if they waited over a month to do the surgery. It needs competition.

I am all for free contraception. Just not for every single american that wants it because they think they deserve it. There needs to be a limit.

gubm'nts? i not following.

I know you aren't in favor of it. But it's been going on for decades, by both parties. If you don't understand what I mean, then perhaps you should google some information about how the requirements for coverage of prevention and wellness services, such as PAP smears, mammograms, PSA tests for men, etc., came to be. Those tests are required to be covered. It has nothing to do with "competition" because ALL insurance companies are required to cover them. The same way that all insurance companies cover most fertility treatments, coverage for pediatric disabilities... As someone who pays premiums for my health insurance, my payments go to cover such services....that I will personally never use. That's why it's called INSURANCE.

You don't have to like it. But it is a fact, and it is NOT paid for by the gubm'nt....It's paid for with premiums. If you want to bitch about the religious aspects of contraception being covered, that's another discussion. But "How are we going to pay for it" is NOT part of the discussion. It's not about it being available over the counter for "anybody that wants it," and paid for by "da gubm'nt." It's covered by their insurance premiums.

Women who have private health insurance will get birth control without paying extra for it – such as with co-pays or deductibles - because it will be fully covered by the health insurance premiums they pay. This does not mean birth control will be free. It means that after you pay your monthly premium, you won’t have to spend any more money to get the birth control method that you choose.
If you get health insurance from Medicaid, birth control is already fully covered, so you are not charged extra through co-pays. If you don’t have any insurance, you can get low-cost [not FREE] contraception at a family planning clinic, like Planned Parenthood.

http://www.raisingwomensvoices.net/stor ... ersion.pdf

I don't know how to make it any clearer...

"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."

Sorry, D4S, but most insurance companies do not cover fertility treatments.

And, CG, as far as college students paying for contraceptives, most of them are barely making it to get through college. I had two kids while I was going to college, my choice, and had to pay for my own birth control. By the end of the month, I was eating maple syrup (fake) and rice or spaghetti in order for my kids to eat right, and one was diabetic, so his food was more expensive, since he was on such a strict diet. I also had to pay for his insulin, because insurance didn't cover it.

Besides, once women have children they didn't want, because they had no contraceptives and the guys walk away, who is going to care for those children? Seems to be that most people who are against abortion and/or contraception haven't come up with a solution for taking care of these unwanted children properly. The mothers are thrown into the streets, because they "should be taking care of themselves and their children." Gee, that worked really well; hence, aid for children.

Democracy4Sale wrote: Still don't have ONE SINGLE POST that touts something concrete, definitive, provable in support of your candidate...

I haven't read the other posts in this thread, so hopefully this coincides with the thread direction:

As far as a candidate goes, the one I was most interested in didn't make the grade, further proving to me that as a society we are severely lacking in intelligence and victims of our own propagada/mass-marketing.... a.k.a. "mediated reality".

Let's just set the whole party affiliation thing aside for a second and come to the realization that the current economic situation of our country has been placed in the hands of not only someone who lacks the experience in business.... but its still on a downward spiral that is now completely out of his control. I can indeed confidently say that economically, things were better before Obama took office, and until recently, I worked in a field that was directly affected by Obama's actions.... as are many of my friends, now having to find work in fields they're unfamiliar with because their own was "clunked"... literally. My personal situation will evolve and I'll go on as having experienced a "speed bump" in my life, but some of my friends do not have the same skill sets and/or training to make such transitions as easily.

So going back to your topic at hand.... I don't have a candidate anymore. In order to improve ONE aspect, (the economy), that I see as a failure of our current administration, I'm forced to vote for a candidate who's ideals are vastly different from my own in many ways. In simple terms, I still feel I'm voting turd for turd.... just one pile I'm already all too familiar with and tired of its smell. Time for a fresh one.

Slightly off topic... its still a firm belief by not only myself, but others.... that our current political party affiliation system should be completely done away with. No partys, at all. Just an individual with ideas, hopes, etc., running as someone who will lead/restore our country to greatness. With no party affiliation, one isn't bound by design so to speak. They don't have to make a select group happy, they will appeal more to the mass of this country, i.e. We the People and perhaps that is the step that is needed. But now I'm drifting far off topic, so carry on as you were.


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2wlady wrote: Sorry, D4S, but most insurance companies do not cover fertility treatments..

Sorry, but not all companies will pay for expensive treatments like in-vitro, etc., but almost all will cover diagnostic procedures to determine cause. I should have known that that statement would be zero'd in on... Silly me.