285 Political Poll

Becky wrote: I am not bipolar hoot owl.....I am just as tired as you of hearing the constant negative drum beat taking over a sight I helped grow from the very beginning.
I am normally a very happy person. But I come here and see good friends and neighbors treated with condescension and disrespect and it does piss me off.
I take it for a while and then I boil over.
I care about my community and it is not being properly represented by 5 or 6 people here who have completely taken over the political discussion. it makes me feel uncomfortable in my own community.

Really Becky? you think because people disagree with your opinions they do not represent this community? This community consists of all kinds of people with opinions as varied as they are. Trying to paint the "other side" as guilty of the very things that you do daily here, calling names and slinging insults, is dishonest. We disagree on politics....big deal.....why does that make me an a**hat and you miss sweetness and light? Why is it OK for you to denigrate me, and when I call you on it you accuse me, and other liberals on this board of being condescending and disrespectful? There is NOTHING more condescending than this post of yours, nor more disrespectful to our mountain community than your claim that those who don't follow your political ideology don't represent this community. We do, and I would bet we represent as big a part of it as you do.

If you want a board that only represents Becky's point of view, then start a Becky's board.

I would like to think that everyone here, from the first poster to the last poster who has joined, has contributed to growing 285Bound. Please don't start with "Oh, I was one of the originals, so I get more respect" stuff....we had enough of that on Pinecam.

Once again.....you are putting words and thoughts in my mouth.
Park County is overwhelmingly Republican.
A good deal of Conifer and the 285 corridor is mostly conservative.
Your party is a minority in this area.
Go look at voter outcomes in the last couple of decades here.....yet....the political forums here are DOMINATED by your liberal posts.
I get no extra kudos for coming on board here so early on but I did work very hard to help promote this site. I gave of my time, money and hard work to help ensure it's success and I am disappointed that it has become 5 or 6 liberal thinking folks bully pulpit.
You and a handful of others have earned not only mine but a good deal of this forum membership's disrespect.
I have no higher right to post here than you or anyone else but I feel mine, as well as others right to our opinion being posted here is being diluted by you and your like minded group.
People have tried a lot of different tactics to make this point but have been drowned out by a small handful of over bearing posters.
I get to be the lightening rod because I am more likely than others to say what many of us think and do so in a pretty straight forward way.
I am OK with that archer.
You don't like or respect me and the feeling is mutual.
I am just advocating a more fair and balanced environment in which all can post their views here.
Life is an interesting learning curve. I am beginning to wonder if any of these "community" websites where people can post any vile thing they want behind the secrecy of a nickname, are really good for communities.
Pinecam over moderates to the point of limiting free speech. This one is almost completely un-moderated which, which ironically....stifles free speech. I have to admit that lately....I have spent more time reading the study at Pinecam because I find it to be more civilized than this forum. Who duh thought that day would ever come. I see advantages now to some happy medium in the middle. Abuses take place at both places.

Please don't start with "Oh, I was one of the originals, so I get more respect" stuff....we had enough of that on Pinecam.

You attempted the same ploy in a different thread just this week. Once again.....do you ever remember what you post and where?
I am just a member here. Like I said before...I have no special standing here because of my arrival on scene.
I just want an equal opportunity to post my opinions without all the BS.
I went back and read the 28 page thread on 285freetalk that gives all of your educated opinions about this site the other night. Interesting read.
You guys still hold most of the members here with the same disdain that created the longest thread ever on that forum.
If you want respect you have to earn it yourself and you have to be willing to extend it also.
I don't think you will understand this post but instead will insert and substitute a boatload of your own belief system into it.
You guys are harming us all. If you want to see a behavior from others....Model it yourself.
Yes.... I lose my temper here. For that...i apologize to my neighbors. I will try to do better. How about you?

Becky wrote: LJ... I work in an arena by which psychology is key to understanding the people I work with in a very quick way.
I am curious as to why you are so driven to respond to EVERYTHING and inundate your neighbors with such repetitive negative posts.
What is driving you to such behavior.
I REALLY want to try and understand this.

Becky wrote: I am just as tired as you of hearing the constant negative drum beat taking over a sight I helped grow from the very beginning.
But I come here and see good friends and neighbors treated with condescension and disrespect and it does piss me off.
I take it for a while and then I boil over.
I care about my community and it is not being properly represented by 5 or 6 people here who have completely taken over the political discussion. it makes me feel uncomfortable in my own community.

You mean the same way that Fred is driven to respond to EVERY one of my posts? (And most of the time TLGBT?)...

For 3-1/2 years I've sat and listened to:

Obama is a muslim
Obama is a Kenyan
Obama is a communist
Obama is a socialist
Obama isn't a US citizen
Obama hangs out with "terrorists" (who never got convicted, and did their political activism when Obama was 8 years old)
Obama isn't a Christian...
"Barack, the Magic Negro";
"English isn't his first language, since he's a Kenyan" -- Conservative Voice

I've been called everything but a "white woman." I've been attacked personally, disgustingly, hatefully, and with every innuendo in the book. I've outlasted pieces-of-sh*t like NmNuts, Outdoor, Chris Sparks (trying to hide behind an alias, "Thunderbox", while hurling the most disgusting personal insults imaginable), ResidentTroll (and about 15 different aliases), Toady (and about 5-7 aliases), CritiKalBill/Ryt_Rick/Heisenberg, and about 8-10 others that I've outlasted, (and mostly put on Ignore).

Yeah, I guess we have to leave "sensitivity" at the door, don't we....

Tell you what, ... When I stop seeing that crap, I'll stop hitting the morons with the empty chairs, and the offshore bank accounts.


For the first 2-3 years here we "Lefties" were outnumbered, and made to feel like we didn't belong. Maybe for awhile it was all Conservative/Republican in this area, but the numbers are changing. It's not "all YOUR sandbox" anymore. Like you, I am mortified and revulsed (if that's a word) that some people who are my neighbors are clinical sociopaths, borderline-psychopaths, racists, homophobes and all-around disgusting individuals, and it's hard to believe we live in the same community. After awhile I learned that the best way to deal with it was not to just "let it go", but to respond IMMEDIATELY like the "instant-response teams" that the campaigns use. I give as good as I get. Somebody wants to start something? "I'm your huckleberry..." The more they want to make it personal, the more I'm ready to step up to the plate.

I got tired of the "constant negative drum beat" from the right-wing. I got treated with condescension and disrespect, and it pissed ME off.

"I care about my community and it is not being properly represented by 5 or 6 people here who have completely taken over the political discussion. it makes me feel uncomfortable in my own community." A-friggin'-MEN!

I got tired of the board being represented by 5-6 extremists who, for awhile, took over the political discussion, and made me feel uncomfortable in my own community. (It got so bad at one point I was afraid for my safety, and thought one of the particularly nasty looney-tunes that lives in my subdivision and knows where I live, was going to show up over a weekend and do me harm. I got a neighbor to come over and stay with me. And I sat there for the whole weekend with a loaded weapon by my side... I'm NOT F**KING GOING TO LIVE LIKE THAT.

You want to make yourself out as Pure and Holy? Garbage... All that's happened is that the balance-of-power has shifted a bit to the other side for awhile, and if I run off a few of the certifiable wackos, then GOOD! So much the better. Someone wants to spew lies and attacks...I'll meet it instantly with proof that they are lying. Someone wants to attack me personally instead of responding to the facts in a post...Fine, I'll go down that road; but generally, I'll blow them off, restate the post until they get the idea that I won't let them deflect from the facts with personal attacks.

You don't like it? Guess what my response to that is?

You want to try "and understand this"? I just gave it to you. I don't care whether you agree with it or not. (And now all of the others can chime in with "Oh, yeah? Well, look what YOU did..."

One of them tried to take one of my more "colorful responses" out-of-context the other day to prove something...Except I had the original slimebag's post that mine was a response to, that basically took his racist, xenophobic, hateful words and threw it back at him, point-by-point. By now they should have figured out that I keep a library of little files and almost everything that goes down like that gets cataloged, and I WILL pull it out in 10-seconds-flat and cram it down their throats.

I'm FED UP... And if fighting back with the same tactics that were started by the Righties all of a sudden makes everyone scream and complain and whine about "how bad those ol' Lefties are", it's only because they've seen it before--only the last time they were dishing it out instead of having it come back at them, and now the tables are turned. I don't care if you respect me or not. Respect is in terribly short supply in this forum, and there are few that I have any for, except on my side of the spectrum. The ones that push it over-the-line, I put on Ignore. Tough.

I almost never come to this site anymore because if the middle school garbage posted here over and over by three or four posters. Grow up.

I give up. It's all yours LJ. Enjoy.

And TM......never mind.

Sad when the study at PC is preferable to here.

Becky wrote: Once again.....you are putting words and thoughts in my mouth.
Park County is overwhelmingly Republican.

I don't live in Park County. And when did this become just a Park County board....even the owner doesn't live in Park County.

A good deal of Conifer and the 286 corridor is mostly conservative.
Your party is a minority in this area.
Go look at voter outcomes in the last couple of decades here.....yet....the political forums here are DOMINATED by your liberal posts.
I get no extra kudos for coming on board here so early on but I did work very hard to help promote this site. I gave of my time, money and hard work to help ensure it's success and I am disappointed that it has become 5 or 6 liberal thinking folks bully pulpit.

If you don't think you deserve kudos for how you claim you helped grow this board, why do you keep bringing it up?

You and a handful of others have earned not only mine but a good deal of this forum membership's disrespect.
I have no higher right to post here than you or anyone else but I feel mine, as well as others right to our opinion being posted here is being diluted by you and your like minded group.
People have tried a lot of different tactics to make this point but have been drowned out by a small handful of over bearing posters.
I get to be the lightening rod because I am more likely than others to say what many of us think and do so in a pretty straight forward way.
I am OK with that archer.
You don't like or respect me and the feeling is mutual.
I am just advocating a more fair and balanced environment in which all can post their views here.

Why does that sound like you think fair and balanced is right wing only posts?

Life is an interesting learning curve. I am beginning to wonder if any of these "community" websites where people can post any vile thing they want behind the secrecy of a nickname, are really good for communities.
Pinecam over moderates to the point of limiting free speech. This one is almost completely un-moderated which, which ironically....stifles free speech. I have to admit that lately....I have spent more time reading the study at Pinecam because I find it to be more civilized than this forum. Who duh thought that day would ever come. I see advantages now to some happy medium in the middle. Abuses take place at both places.

Please don't start with "Oh, I was one of the originals, so I get more respect" stuff....we had enough of that on Pinecam.

You attempted the same ploy in a different thread just this week. Once again.....do you ever remember what you post and where?

why, yes I do. If you are going to bring up how you are a early member that helped this message board grow every time someone calls you on your behavior, then I will continue to point out that we all are responsible for growing this site and we all take responsibility, or blame.

I am just a member here. Like I said before...I have no special standing here because of my arrival on scene.
I just want an equal opportunity to post my opinions without all the BS.

You may think liberal views are BS, but that is your opinion, and some members here have a different opinion. You want to stifle liberal voices? then why participate on an unmoderated board?

I went back and read the 28 page thread on 285freetalk that gives all of your educated opinions about this site the other night. Interesting read.
You guys still hold most of the members here with the same disdain that created the longest thread ever on that forum.
If you want respect you have to earn it yourself and you have to be willing to extend it also.

True....when will you start?

I don't think you will understand this post but instead will insert and substitute a boatload of your own belief system into it.
You guys are harming us all. If you want to see a behavior from others....Model it yourself.
Yes.... I lose my temper here. For that...i apologize to my neighbors. I will try to do better. How about you?

I rarely lose my temper Becky, I have tried to talk to you in a reasonable manner, I do not call people names, or personally attack them even when provoked, as you have done to me. I will disagree with your opinions, and with your attacks on me and other liberals....but that is as far as it goes. I don't even dislike you, never have. I have met you in person....if you remember, and felt we had a cordial if not friendly discussion. Yet on this board if I so much as say hello with a liberal accent you are all over it. I dislike personal confrontation...it's not how I handle my interactions with people.....like you, I had a small business up here and I feel that has given me insight into how communities and people interact.....whatever is said, discussed, argued here should never become a personal vendetta, yet that is the kind of vibes I am getting from you.

Enough, you go your way, I will go mine, but don't try to tell me that I don't have as much right to post my opinions on this board as anyone else here, be they conservative or liberal. Politics can be ugly, but in the end it is still just politics, not life or death.

^^^YUP.

I have given up trying to be civil because I do not get civility back. This is a mud slinging pit. And the mud comes from both sides.

It is astounding the amount of smugness and self-righteousness that come out of some people on here.