Thread for employees only.

I don't think any of this really relates to political party......there are people in both parties who work hard and do well....and those who can never seem to get ahead for what ever reason. Trying to link success to political affiliation trivializes what it takes to make a good life for yourself and your family, and places blame when none is deserved.

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Isn't that true of any business.....private enterprise is not immune to the lazy/leech employee.....and I have met many a business owner who gets by....barely....by doing no more than the barest minimum. Most of them don't last long.

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You can find cause and effect in anything if you want to.....you can relate political party to success....or failure if you want to, to what purpose? What I find problematic is using labels, be they political party, race, gender, religion, or any means of categorizing an individual.....then extrapolating that out to behavior, or beliefs, or chance of success. Too many variables, and they all interact to make an individual.....not a member of this group or another....but an individual. I think we forget that....especially in the midst of elections....we want to quantify the opposition, to understand them in a way that makes sense to us.....but probably bears no relationship to who they are or what they believe. Simple example.....liberal....it means certain things to a conservative....and religion isn't one of those things.....yet there are many very religious liberals/democrats. The point is....and I tried this in another thread and got thoroughly bashed for the effort.....people just don't fit neatly into categories, and if you base your political attacks, be you a candidate, a political party, or a citizen, on those categories then you will be missing the truth.

oh....any conclusion based on statistics has a statistically significant chance of being false.

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archer wrote: The point is....and I tried this in another thread and got thoroughly bashed for the effort.....people just don't fit neatly into categories, and if you base your political attacks, be you a candidate, a political party, or a citizen, on those categories then you will be missing the truth.

I agree, people don't fit into neat little categories and when we talk about each other, we should try to remember that. I've gone after you for your blanket generalizations about conservatives, and as you correctly pointed out, I've done the same with the use of the word "liberals". Not all, but I think the majority of posters here do this in different degrees... that's something that really hurts meaningful discussions.

I also agree with you that political party affiliation doesn't say all that much about who is more likely to be an employee or an employer, but you can make some accurate generalizations when you look at the occupation. I was in the restaurant business for a long time and found that the servers were often very liberal (I was believe it or not). I was surrounded by people who made more money in a day than I made in a month. My job as a server was to extract as much money as possible from their wallets through upselling and giving them great service. After a while it wears on you and when some of these rich folks act like asses, the envy turns to anger. I wanted what they had and I didn't want to be a servant anymore. I voted for Carter and I voted for Clinton (once). When I left that business (The Fort), I quickly lost my liberal leanings but kept all my liberal friends (yes, even the gay ones).

My point is that many people change their ideology over time depending on the work we do and the people we work with. Trying to make employee/employer generalizations doesn't work unless you look at the occupation or type of business... but even then, a liberal who serves rich people in a high end restaurant can easily become a conservative once he/she finds a different career path.