Paul Ryan & Rand Paul 2016?

20 Nov 2012 10:59 #1 by FredHayek
Think the GOP could win with this ticket?

It would be a good way to get the Libertarian voters back on the Republican ticket.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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20 Nov 2012 11:01 #2 by LadyJazzer
Oh, I HOPE you keep thinking that... Please.... :lol:

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20 Nov 2012 12:09 #3 by ScienceChic

FredHayek wrote: Think the GOP could win with this ticket?

It would be a good way to get the Libertarian voters back on the Republican ticket.

No, and neither will any other Tea party candidates until they start getting off the denial bandwagon and stop supporting further development of fossil fuels. Despite the economy being the most important factor for most people when voting this year, they still voted in a Democratic president and did not take away the Democratic majority in the Senate - that tells me a lot.

Fro Forbes: After Sandy, Poll Shows GOP Faces Growing Environmental Divide with Voters
John Zogby
11/14/12

73 percent of independents and 82 percent of Democrats saying they’re worried about the growing cost and risks of extreme weather disasters fueled by climate change. It’s a major change from our December 2009 poll, which showed two-thirds of Republicans and nearly half of political independents saying they were ‘not at all concerned’ about global climate change and global warming. The political climate has shifted and members of Congress need to catch up with their constituents.

Among the poll’s findings:

    Two-thirds of voters (65 percent) say elected officials should take steps now to reduce the impact of climate change on future generations, while just 27 percent say we should wait for more evidence.

    Seven in ten voters (69 percent) are greatly or somewhat worried about the growing cost and risks of extreme weather disasters fueled by climate change. Six in ten (58 percent) of Tea Party sympathizers are greatly or somewhat worried, showing a connection between climate action and fiscal responsibility.

    Three times as many voters say the government is doing too little to protect America’s air, water, wildlife and other natural resources (44 percent) as say it’s doing too much (14 percent).


Rasmussen Poll - New High: 68% See Global Warming As Serious Problem

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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20 Nov 2012 12:12 #4 by FredHayek
But the public has a short attention span and while after Sandy they were more concerned with the enviroment, climate change wasn't covered in the Republican/Democrat debates, only in the Green/Libertarian debates.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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20 Nov 2012 12:15 #5 by LadyJazzer
The public has been telling the GOTP that Climate-Change was an issue for the past 12-15 years. Once upon a time, it was a GOTP issue. The only thing that's "fickle" seems to be the GOTP's willingness to cocoon themselves in a bubble of science denial...(and sucking up to the fossil-fuel companies--and their $Billions).

Besides, I thought you guys sucked up anything the Rasmussen polls said?

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20 Nov 2012 12:22 #6 by FredHayek
If Team Axelrod thought Climate Change was a winning strategy why didn't we see commericals condemning Republicans for denying it? Or why didn't Obama point out more often how he was against fracking and Keystone. In one debate, Obama was proud to declare that drilling permits had increased since he became president.

Back on topic, would be an interesting logo, (PR-2016-RP) :like:

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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20 Nov 2012 12:30 #7 by LadyJazzer
Gee, I guess you'd have to ask Axelrod... My guess is that they knew they were beating RMoney and Lyin'-Ryan with their own words without having to go into the whole climate-change issue.

Doesn't change the Rasmussen poll and the out-of-touch GOTP stance, does it....

Obama DID point out that he was against Keystone... He also put a 6-month moratorium on Gulf drilling for "safety reexamination"... It's good to know the industry used the time wisely...



Coast Guard searches for 2 missing after Gulf oil rig blast

http://www.trbimg.com/img-50a7fe12/turbine/la-na-nn-oil-rig-explosion-louisiana-20121117-001/600

Ships and helicopters are searching for two oil rig workers who disappeared when an explosion rocked a Gulf of Mexico oil rig off the coast of Louisiana and set it on fire, Coast Guard officials said.

Eleven other crew members were flown to hospitals, and four of them are listed in critical condition.

There were no confirmed deaths as of the early evening.

Earlier reports by the Coast Guard that as many as 15 people were unaccounted for were resolved as the workers were located.

Among the injured were four who were airlifted for medical treatment to the West Jefferson Medical Center, where they were in critical condition after suffering serious burns. All four were intubated and were to be evacuated to Baton Rouge Burn Center when they were stabilized, according to West Jefferson spokesman Taslin Alfonzo.

Three helicopters and two rescue boats were scouring the water looking for the missing crew members, according to Ed Cubanski, chief of the U.S. Coast Guard response.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 4972.story

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20 Nov 2012 12:39 #8 by ScienceChic

FredHayek wrote: But the public has a short attention span and while after Sandy they were more concerned with the enviroment, climate change wasn't covered in the Republican/Democrat debates, only in the Green/Libertarian debates.

No, climate change wasn't covered in the Rep/Dem debates and yes, the public does have a short attention span, but they won't be able to forget as things get worse and it will become a more mainstream issue. The problem is that it will be too late to tackle as anything less than a no-holds-barred, full-on assault and I don't think we're capable of it. It'll be too late to mitigate anything but the worst-case scenario. But do expect to see some legislation start to happen in this term, even though the White House has already publicly stated that they will NOT be proposing a carbon tax in the foreseeable future (which is stupid, because even Exxon acknowledges that it would have substantial benefits to reducing emissions).

I know you guys don't accept the Grist since it's biased, but here's some food for thought:
If you’re 27 or younger, you’ve never experienced a colder-than-average month
By Philip Bump
16 Nov 2012

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... ing-stupid

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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20 Nov 2012 12:47 #9 by FredHayek
I saw the colder than average piece, but still am very skeptical that the world would be willing to make major changes to their lifestyles to stop the change. And Americans aren't exactly clamoring to raise gas taxes to the levels of Europe either.

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20 Nov 2012 12:50 #10 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote: I saw the colder than average piece, but still am very skeptical that the world would be willing to make major changes to their lifestyles to stop the change. And Americans aren't exactly clamoring to raise gas taxes to the levels of Europe either.


And that's your fall-back position when you finally reach the point that Climate-Change is scientifically undeniable?

1) It's not happening...
2) It's happening, but it's not man-made
3) It's happening, it's man-made, but we can't do anything about it.
4) It's happening, it's man-made, we CAN do something about it, but it might raise taxes or prices, and we don't want to have to deal with it.
5) Start back at #1, and repeat as necessary....


Gotta love it.

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