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Faith vs Science in Schools
18 Dec 2012 15:18 #61
by CinnamonGirl
LJ, you once told me that you loved the book Illusions. That book falls into my belief system and I still think adding, not taking away is the answer but really if you and I got down to it, I bet we believe some of the same things since we both thought that was one of our favorite books. You have to have a really open mind to read that book and not be scared by it.
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LadyJazzer wrote: I respect your right to believe what you want to believe... I just don't want it even remotely trying to coexist with science in the classroom.
Those beliefs belong in a comparative-religion class because they are not science.
LJ, you once told me that you loved the book Illusions. That book falls into my belief system and I still think adding, not taking away is the answer but really if you and I got down to it, I bet we believe some of the same things since we both thought that was one of our favorite books. You have to have a really open mind to read that book and not be scared by it.
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18 Dec 2012 15:31 #63
by CinnamonGirl
Okay, obviously you are going on something i never said. Point is to work together. You said "I" too many times in the sentence. Back to my original point-teach it all somehow or teach none of it. Because anything less is stomping on someone's else's opinion and rights. I realize you think your view is cut and dry but it isn't. Back to Darwin's statement. Everything you just said is according to you only.
One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed
Charles Darwin, 1861
Everyone needs to do their own homework. You cannot grow with just one way of looking at things. No more discussion for me on science class because that was not my point.
Have a great night.
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LadyJazzer wrote: And I don't want "Illusions" taught in a science class... It is not science...Any more than "Intelligent Design" (creationism masquerading as fake science) should be taught in a science class.
You want to teach it in a philosophy class? No problem... You want to teach it in comparative-religion? No problem.
What part of this are you having trouble with?? Is it the difference between what is SCIENCE and what is NOT-science?
"Scared"? I think not.. I don't want your non-science in a science class...because it is NOT science.
Okay, obviously you are going on something i never said. Point is to work together. You said "I" too many times in the sentence. Back to my original point-teach it all somehow or teach none of it. Because anything less is stomping on someone's else's opinion and rights. I realize you think your view is cut and dry but it isn't. Back to Darwin's statement. Everything you just said is according to you only.
One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed
Charles Darwin, 1861
Everyone needs to do their own homework. You cannot grow with just one way of looking at things. No more discussion for me on science class because that was not my point.
Have a great night.
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18 Dec 2012 17:02 #68
by ScienceChic
Intelligent Design: Is it scientific? checklist
Again, you cannot use that Darwin quote as evidence that intelligent design should be taught in science courses in addition to evolution. He was saying that he could see intelligent design as it applied to the whole universe, but not to each individual organism by itself, which is what evolution is all about. If you are basing putting intelligent design in any class on Darwin's opinion, then it is best suited to a philosophy or theology class. Or maybe physics, because we all know those people make up half that crap and can't prove it anyway!
:jk2:
http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-3154
One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed; yet when I look to each individual organism, I can see no evidence of this. For, I am not prepared to admit that God designed the feathers in the tail of the rock-pigeon to vary in a highly peculiar manner in order that man might select such variations & make a Fan-tail; & if this be not admitted (I know it would be admitted by many persons), then I cannot see design in the variations of structure in animals in a state of nature,—those variations which were useful to the animal being preserved & those useless or injurious being destroyed.
Can you explain how not teaching a non-scientific discipline in a science class stomps on anyone's rights, because I still don't understand that assertion?
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Can you explain why you think intelligent design is not religion and therefore deserves to be taught alongside evolution in science class?CinnamonGirl wrote: I did not say I was in favor of religion I said intelligent design. There is a big difference. But even then that is for all of the parents to decide together. You can believe in god and not religion. I am one of those.
Intelligent Design: Is it scientific? checklist
Again, you cannot use that Darwin quote as evidence that intelligent design should be taught in science courses in addition to evolution. He was saying that he could see intelligent design as it applied to the whole universe, but not to each individual organism by itself, which is what evolution is all about. If you are basing putting intelligent design in any class on Darwin's opinion, then it is best suited to a philosophy or theology class. Or maybe physics, because we all know those people make up half that crap and can't prove it anyway!
:jk2:http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/entry-3154
One cannot look at this Universe with all living productions & man without believing that all has been intelligently designed; yet when I look to each individual organism, I can see no evidence of this. For, I am not prepared to admit that God designed the feathers in the tail of the rock-pigeon to vary in a highly peculiar manner in order that man might select such variations & make a Fan-tail; & if this be not admitted (I know it would be admitted by many persons), then I cannot see design in the variations of structure in animals in a state of nature,—those variations which were useful to the animal being preserved & those useless or injurious being destroyed.
Can you explain how not teaching a non-scientific discipline in a science class stomps on anyone's rights, because I still don't understand that assertion?
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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