Civil Unions Approved In Colorado Denver Post

What happened to Matthew Sheppard breaks my heart. Any time I see his name. My nephew is gay too, and it scares me sick to think it could have been him.

My party annoys me on gun rights too. I guess we have to vote our conscience. I do believe I will get those rights some day. In the mean time, I have to pay a lawyer to make it right.

I believe you will get them too... I hope we ALL will... As of last count there are over 1600+ different laws at the federal level, IRS, inheritance laws, estate laws, adoption laws, hospital visitation, medical-power-of-attorney laws, that accrue to MARRIED couples that do NOT attach to same-sex couples. That is unconstitutional, no matter how you slice it...And I think it's about to come to an end...

LadyJazzer wrote:

chickaree wrote: No. You haven't "won" anything. Marriage rights are at the whim of government rather than enshrined in the Constitution for all. I haven't seen President Obama pushing for an equal rights amendment. You are satisfied that he dropped his support for the DOMA. You elected him even when he stated his willingness that the LGBT community be denied full rights. At least I work for the betterment of my party. You are satisfied with yours, warts and all. Until we are all willing to demand more, we will get less and less every year.

Here's MY PARTY's platform document:

The President’s record, from ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” in full cooperation with our military leadership, to passing the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, to ensuring same-sex couples can visit each other in the hospital, reflects Democrats’ belief that all Americans deserve the same chance to pursue happiness, earn a living, be safe in their communities, serve their country, and take care of the ones they love. The Administration has said that the word ‘family’ in immigration includes LGBT relationships in order to protect bi-national families threatened with deportation.

Freedom to Marry. We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference.

We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act.

I've already posted yours... (Which you conveniently choose to ignore...) I'll be glad to copy-and-paste it and post it again, in case you missed it. You remind me of the old Groucho Marx line about, "Who are you going to believe? Me? or your own lying eyes?"

Democratic money is helping to pay for the two cases in front of the Supreme Court; (which, if both go against the GOP, could likely lead to the same kind of result as "Virginia v. Loving", which made it unconstitutional to deny interracial marriage. You could very likely see marriage-equality at the Constitutional level in our lifetimes... (HINT: It's NOT YOUR PARTY... Your party is fighting it every step of the way.) I'm not just satisfied that Obama dropped support for DOMA...He's fighting it, and it was in OUR PARTY'S PLATFORM DOCUMENT... Where was it in yours?

I'm not only willing to demand more of my party, but I actively work towards it. And all your party does is continue to work toward hatred, bigotry and discrimination at every level, and at full-throttle... Please, spare me your fantasy-world of GOTP "acceptance." That's right up there with "I like to fire people."


I also find it fascinating that one page back you said:

chickaree wrote: You deserve those rights MsMam, and I am ashamed that my party works against you. I'm sorry.

And then I said:

LadyJazzer wrote: I'm ashamed of your party too... And not just for MsMAM's rights...

And now, you've gone almost two pages giving me this "Oh, yeah? Well, i]your party wears combat-boots and yo' momma dresses you funny[/i ... Your party didn't do _X_, _Y_, _Z_"...

So, were you being a hypocrite when you apologized to MsMam and said you were "ashamed" for your party's behavior? Or are you being a hypocrite now because I agreed with you?

I was merely pointing out the bitterness of your spirit, and the fact (that you are unwilling to admit, but are unable to rebut) that your party talks lots and acts little.

I've already posted a long list of what all MY PARTY has done...

Unfortunately, for you, I've also posted a LONG LIST of all the things YOUR PARTY stands for, and HASN'T done. Lessee, let's look at MY PARTY's PLATFORM-DOCUMENT and the things they are FOR, and YOUR PARTY's PLATFORM DOCUMENT, which is a list of all the things they are AGAINST, and let's see which one sounds bitter...mean...prejudiced...hateful...bigoted....

And what has YOUR PARTY done lately.... FOR ANY OF THE FOLKS mentioned in my list?

I know what you were "merely pointing out", and as usual, it's a lame, meaningless exercise in the usual, unsubstantiated false-equivalency. It doesn't even rise to the level of the usual "They did it it too", because what you are saying is not that they didn't do anything, when what you are suggesting is that somehow they "didn't do enough"....When the TeaBagger party hasn't DONE ANYTHING. How pathetic is that? But, hey, at least you got to use the word "bitterness" in a sentence.

Since, once again, you deflect and don't answer the question, I'll ask it again:

I find it fascinating that one page back you said:

chickaree wrote: You deserve those rights MsMam, and I am ashamed that my party works against you. I'm sorry.

And then I said:

LadyJazzer wrote: I'm ashamed of your party too... And not just for MsMAM's rights...

And now, you've gone almost two pages giving me this "Oh, yeah? Well, i]your party wears combat-boots and yo' momma dresses you funny[/i ... Your party didn't do _X_, _Y_, _Z_"...

So, were you being a hypocrite when you apologized to MsMam and said you were "ashamed" for your party's behavior? Or are you being a hypocrite now because I agreed with you?

Yeah... I'm ashamed of your party. I'm disgusted by your party. I've got nothing but contempt for your party... That's not "bitterness", that's contempt.

You just keep repeating the same stuff and refusing to address my question to you. If all you can do is throw insults, you are a poor representative for your party.
Are there any other liberals who have an opinion? Has your party fulfilled it's promises to the gay community?

chickaree wrote: Has your party fulfilled it's promises to the gay community?

Not at all sure what promises you are referring to......but I would say, with pride, that my party is actively working towards the goal of equality for the LGBT community.....and yours is not. It really is that simple.

We know YOURS hasn't...

And I've already listed many things that my party has done to improve things, and if we win in Court, (and I believe we will), we'll be doing even more. Your pathetic excuse for a party hasn't done ANYTHING except to try to stifle every forward movement of rights-for-all. If we haven't fulfilled EVERY promise 100% it's been because of Republican obstructionism and bigotry.

You're an even worse representative for the teabaggers, because you're apparently still in denial... But since the whole party seems to be, that's hardly a surprise. It's hysterical watching these lame attempts of the GOTP to try to figure out how to "change their message"...without changing the underlying bigotry and hypocrisy that put them on the road to extinction in the first place. I have a flash for you. I don't care how expensive the lipstick is that you're trying to put on that pig...It doesn't change the fact that it's still a Republican pig.

Interestingly enough, you haven't answered my question either:

LadyJazzer wrote: Unfortunately, for you, I've also posted a LONG LIST of all the things YOUR PARTY stands for, and HASN'T done. Lessee, let's look at MY PARTY's PLATFORM-DOCUMENT and the things they are FOR, and YOUR PARTY's PLATFORM DOCUMENT, which is a list of all the things they are AGAINST, and let's see which one sounds bitter...mean...prejudiced...hateful...bigoted....

And what has YOUR PARTY done lately.... FOR ANY OF THE FOLKS mentioned in my list?

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: Has your party fulfilled it's promises to the gay community?

Not at all sure what promises you are referring to......but I would say, with pride, that my party is actively working towards the goal of equality for the LGBT community.....and yours is not. It really is that simple.

I would agree with that. Now that the legislature in Democratic, things move for LGBT rights. That says a lot as well.

It *is* that simple

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: Has your party fulfilled it's promises to the gay community?

Not at all sure what promises you are referring to......but I would say, with pride, that my party is actively working towards the goal of equality for the LGBT community.....and yours is not. It really is that simple.

So Archer, do you think it would be better if I quit the party, or worked to reform it from within? My nephews SO discouraged me from quitting last year saying that without voices for the opposition there would be no chance of change. I do feel I have changed a few people's minds, people who wouldn't have listened if I had left the party. I know they are both deeply disappointed in the Democrats. They are considering moving out of Colorado if this doesn't pass so they can marry. I love them dearly and wold be heartbroken to lose them.

chickaree wrote:

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: Has your party fulfilled it's promises to the gay community?

Not at all sure what promises you are referring to......but I would say, with pride, that my party is actively working towards the goal of equality for the LGBT community.....and yours is not. It really is that simple.

So Archer, do you think it would be better if I quit the party, or worked to reform it from within? My nephews SO discouraged me from quitting last year saying that without voices for the opposition there would be no chance of change. I do feel I have changed a few people's minds, people who wouldn't have listened if I had left the party.

Only you can make that decision, for some it makes sense to try and make a difference from within, for others it is just wrong to stay affiliated with party they no longer believe represents their views. My hubby is dealing with that now. He's a registered republican, pretty conservative in his views, but hasn't voted republican after Bush's first term. He thinks the GOP left him, he keeps his registration in case he wants too vote in a primary and thinks he can make a difference. But if you all think I am tough on the current GOP, he makes me sound pretty tame.