Older Smokers Fined By ACA

25 Jan 2013 13:07 #1 by FredHayek
People that need to buy individual health insurance under Obamacare can be billed much more by private insurers if they are smokers. But fatties don't have to pay more.

Smoking has declined a lot in the past 20 years for a variety of reasons, including public hatred, high taxes, and few places to smoke. This new additon just might end it all. Or people will just lie about it.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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25 Jan 2013 13:24 #2 by LadyJazzer
Sorry to tell you this, but smokers have been paying an extra premium since the 50's/60's.... Or is that somehow Obama's fault too? (And they can lie about it all they want... The first time they do a comprehensive blood-test, do you not think the nicotine and side-products won't show up?)

Slow day for "outrage" stories?

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25 Jan 2013 13:27 #3 by FredHayek
It wasn't an outrage story, just interesting to see what are addictions that are good to go and what aren't.

And if you are a smoker, stay on your work plan.

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25 Jan 2013 13:32 - 25 Jan 2013 14:13 #4 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote: People that need to buy individual health insurance under Obamacare can be billed much more by private insurers if they are smokers. But fatties don't have to pay more.

Smoking has declined a lot in the past 20 years for a variety of reasons, including public hatred, high taxes, and few places to smoke. This new additon just might end it all. Or people will just lie about it.


It's not a "fine"...But you knew that... You are paying a slightly higher premium for your choice of an unhealthy behavior that leads to cancer, respiratory problems, heart problems, and a host of other illnesses...

By the same token, obesity is NOT always due to unhealthy life-choices... But you knew that too.

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25 Jan 2013 13:36 - 25 Jan 2013 13:55 #5 by Nobody that matters

LadyJazzer wrote: It's not a "fine"


It's a tax. :)

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25 Jan 2013 13:43 - 25 Jan 2013 14:14 #6 by LadyJazzer
It's a premium for your choice of an unhealthy behavior that leads to cancer, respiratory problems, heart problems, and a host of other illnesses...

You don't want to pay the extra premium, don't do the unhealthy behavior...

(Oh, did you hear... Women pay higher health insurance premiums for the "unhealthy behavior" of being able to get pregnant. Unfortunately, this is not a behavior they can voluntarily opt-out of, even with birth-control or voluntary sterilization.)

And your calling it a "fine" or a "tax" does not make it so....

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25 Jan 2013 13:46 #7 by FredHayek
CBS was reporting it would be legal to charge 50% more for smokers.

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25 Jan 2013 13:48 #8 by LadyJazzer
I'd be good with that... Pay the price for your choices....

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25 Jan 2013 14:17 #9 by Nobody that matters
I forgot the smiley face. That was meant as a joke.

Of course smokers pay higher premiums, they should. They're not as healthy (statistically).

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25 Jan 2013 14:26 #10 by PrintSmith
But they also tend to die off quicker, saving the system a lot of money because they are not drawing expensive benefits for extended periods of time, so perhaps it is the "healthy" ones who should be paying the higher premium because, ultimately, they are going to end up costing the insurance company more money than the smokers do.

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