SB 13-196 a Very Very Bad Bill

28 Feb 2013 14:23 #1 by Grady
This Bill is likely the worst of the current batch of anti- gun bills. This bill as it stands will essentially ban the sale of any semi automatic rifle in the state of Colorado. It create a backwards liability for a firearm that may be misused all the way back to the firearm manufacturer, including any person or entity who may have transferred that firearm. For example you Joe citizen sells a semi-auto rifle to a party through a licensed gun broker who upon the transfer does his due diligence and runs the background check. Later this guy does something bad with the gun and the lawyers have a field day, suing Joe citizen, the FFL, the distributer and the manufacturer. Under conditions would anyone legally sell a semi auto?
The other thing this bill does is define assault rifle as any semi automatic rifle regardless of it’s age, looks, caliber, intended purpose. So that 1950s Remington .22 model 74 would be an assault rifle under this bill. There many Semi –auto rifles that have nothing in common with the AR 15 style rifles other than the action.

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28 Feb 2013 14:27 #2 by FOS
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I have it on good authority that only 1 of the 4 bills currently in the legislature will pass.
They don't have the votes.
Universal Background checks is the only one that has a shot.
Stay tuned.

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28 Feb 2013 14:35 #3 by FredHayek
SB 13-196 sounds a little extreme and you have to think Hickenlooper would veto it if it did make it through the legislature.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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28 Feb 2013 17:25 #4 by FOS
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Received this today.

Thank you for your email. I can’t express how deeply I appreciate you taking your time to contact me regarding the Democrats’ unprecedented attack on our right to self-protection.



This nationwide effort, being pushed and financed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, must be stopped. The fact that the White House is having Vice President Joe Bidden personally calling Colorado Democrat legislators and pressuring them to vote for these radical bills is unacceptable!!!



Like you, I am saddened by the tragic events here in Aurora and Newtown, Connecticut, but we are Coloradoans and we can take care of our own. I have personally spent time with Aurora community to support them during this horrific healing process. My family and I pray for them and all the victims of these tragic murders. Like Governor Hickenlooper said after the Aurora shooting, however, there is no law that we could pass that would have stopped this sick and evil person from acting out on his evil intentions. Certainly putting more feel good, legal red tape on law abiding citizens will do nothing to stop the evils of gun violence.



ALL of the gun bills in the Senate will be heard in TWO committees on MONDAY, March 4 at 1:30.



Judiciary Committee (Old Supreme Court Chambers, second floor of the Capitol) SB 195--CCW training SB 196--Assault Weapons ban HB 1224--Limiting the size of magazines SB ?--Prohibition of gun possession while under a restraining order



State Affairs Committee (Senate Committee RM 356, third floor of the Capitol) HB 1226 Prohibiting Concealed Carry on college campus.

HB 1228 Background fees (Poll Tax)

HB 1229 Universal Background Checks



Each witness in each committee will be given a number indicating the order in which they will testify (think Deli Counter numbered tickets). Each witness will be given THREE (3) minutes TOTAL to speak on any/all of the bills being heard before the that specific committee. This will hopefully allow all interested citizens the ability to testify before both committees with the knowledge that they will not lose their place in line in either of the two committees.



Please have your comments well prepared and practiced to ensure that they are within the allowed three minute time period.



If you are unable to attend on Monday afternoon please feel free to call or email any of the members of the two committee and let them know your position on the bills.



Judiciary

Chairman Guzman--303-866-4862 . Vice Chairman Ulibarri--303-866-4857 .

Senator Aguilar--303-866-4852 . Senator King--303-866-3077 . Senator Lundberg--303-866-4853 .



State, Veterans and Military Affairs

Chairman Giron--303-866-4878 . Vice Chairman Jones--303-866-5291 . Senator Crowder--303-866-4875 . Senator Harvey--303-866-4881 . Senator Hudak--303-866-4840 .



SEE YOU ON MONDAY!!!

Sincerely,



Ted Harvey

Colorado Senator

(SD-30, Douglas County)

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28 Feb 2013 19:13 #5 by Something the Dog Said
Why is this a VERY VERY BAD BILL? Despite the cries of wolf, it does not ban the sale of any type of weapon. It only makes the owner liable for damages if they misuse it, or give it to another with the knowledge that person is going to misuse, and only makes sellers liable if they knowingly sell the firearm illegally. What is so bad about this?

"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown

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01 Mar 2013 06:06 #6 by RenegadeCJ

Something the Dog Said wrote: Why is this a VERY VERY BAD BILL? Despite the cries of wolf, it does not ban the sale of any type of weapon. It only makes the owner liable for damages if they misuse it, or give it to another with the knowledge that person is going to misuse, and only makes sellers liable if they knowingly sell the firearm illegally. What is so bad about this?


Make the person who does horrible things responsible for their own actions. Guns do nothing on their own. This law is a lawyer's dream. Sue sue sue....anyone down the line.

Horrible bill...yes.

Too bad future generations aren't here to see all the great things we are spending their $$ on!!

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01 Mar 2013 07:01 #7 by FredHayek

Something the Dog Said wrote: Why is this a VERY VERY BAD BILL? Despite the cries of wolf, it does not ban the sale of any type of weapon. It only makes the owner liable for damages if they misuse it, or give it to another with the knowledge that person is going to misuse, and only makes sellers liable if they knowingly sell the firearm illegally. What is so bad about this?


So should we do the same if you sell your car to a teenage boy?
Awful hard to guess the intent of the buyer unless he is actually diagramming the school he wants to shoot up.
Example: the theatre shooter, honors student in a prestigious program, want to buy a handgun to protect himself in his bad neighborhood.

The only thing this does is let lawyers sue more people after a mass shooting.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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01 Mar 2013 08:17 #8 by Something the Dog Said

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Why is this a VERY VERY BAD BILL? Despite the cries of wolf, it does not ban the sale of any type of weapon. It only makes the owner liable for damages if they misuse it, or give it to another with the knowledge that person is going to misuse, and only makes sellers liable if they knowingly sell the firearm illegally. What is so bad about this?


Make the person who does horrible things responsible for their own actions. Guns do nothing on their own. This law is a lawyer's dream. Sue sue sue....anyone down the line.

Horrible bill...yes.

Where is the language in the bill that removes the responsibility for those who do horrible things from those who do those horrible things?

"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown

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01 Mar 2013 08:18 #9 by Something the Dog Said

FredHayek wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Why is this a VERY VERY BAD BILL? Despite the cries of wolf, it does not ban the sale of any type of weapon. It only makes the owner liable for damages if they misuse it, or give it to another with the knowledge that person is going to misuse, and only makes sellers liable if they knowingly sell the firearm illegally. What is so bad about this?


So should we do the same if you sell your car to a teenage boy?
Awful hard to guess the intent of the buyer unless he is actually diagramming the school he wants to shoot up.
Example: the theatre shooter, honors student in a prestigious program, want to buy a handgun to protect himself in his bad neighborhood.

The only thing this does is let lawyers sue more people after a mass shooting.

Where is the language in the bill that requires one to guess the intent of the buyer?

"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown

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01 Mar 2013 09:58 #10 by Grady

Something the Dog Said wrote: Why is this a VERY VERY BAD BILL? Despite the cries of wolf, it does not ban the sale of any type of weapon. It only makes the owner liable for damages if they misuse it, or give it to another with the knowledge that person is going to misuse, and only makes sellers liable if they knowingly sell the firearm illegally. What is so bad about this?

Why then are the manufacturers and distributors specifically mentioned, after all they are only selling to entities who hold valid FFLs? This bill is designed to kill the sales or transfer of any non-bolt action rifle. This bill is a lawyers full employment bill. The other very bad part of this bill is how it defines "assault rifle". Any rifle that is not a bolt action rifle would be forever in Colorado an "Assault rifle" That would include many many models some made prior to WW II.

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