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18 Mar 2013 16:00 #1 by bailey bud
Not sure if I'm imagining things or not - but the GOP seems to have a long track record of searching for black conservatives to trumpet. I"m not even sure the trend is unique to the GOP.

In any event, consider this list:
- Oklahoma Rep. Watts (before it was vogue)
- Colin Powell (whoops - he endorsed Obama)
- Thomas Sowell (as a Chicago School student, I happen to like him)
- Alan Keyes (can't stand him)
- Herman Cain (can't stand him)

The GOP now seems to have a crush on Benjamin Carson.

I've read a little about the guy --- he is inspiring (there's a lot of inspiring people on this planet, though).

I really do wonder, though - if this guy speaks from his own point of view - or whether or not he's surrounded by ideological handlers that tell him what to think. I suppose I wonder whether he's authentic (except for Paul, I have not seen what I'd consider an authentic GOP star for awhile).

I like the idea of a free-market --- the notion of self governance ---- and the capacity to act for ones self. That's what I was taught to believe in (and I agree with my teachers). However, I'm really leery of the conservative agenda being trumped up for corporate, rather than individual gain.

All of this is to ask the question ---- what (in your opinion) is behind the rise of Ben Carson?

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18 Mar 2013 16:21 #2 by FredHayek
Ben Carson does appear to be anti-gun so I do believe he is a free thinker about some things

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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18 Mar 2013 18:20 #3 by Rick
Replied by Rick on topic another black conservative

bailey bud wrote: Not sure if I'm imagining things or not - but the GOP seems to have a long track record of searching for black conservatives to trumpet. I"m not even sure the trend is unique to the GOP.

In any event, consider this list:
- Oklahoma Rep. Watts (before it was vogue)
- Colin Powell (whoops - he endorsed Obama)
- Thomas Sowell (as a Chicago School student, I happen to like him)
- Alan Keyes (can't stand him)
- Herman Cain (can't stand him)

The GOP now seems to have a crush on Benjamin Carson.

I've read a little about the guy --- he is inspiring (there's a lot of inspiring people on this planet, though).

I really do wonder, though - if this guy speaks from his own point of view - or whether or not he's surrounded by ideological handlers that tell him what to think. I suppose I wonder whether he's authentic (except for Paul, I have not seen what I'd consider an authentic GOP star for awhile).

I like the idea of a free-market --- the notion of self governance ---- and the capacity to act for ones self. That's what I was taught to believe in (and I agree with my teachers). However, I'm really leery of the conservative agenda being trumped up for corporate, rather than individual gain.

All of this is to ask the question ---- what (in your opinion) is behind the rise of Ben Carson?

Who are you to judge who is "authentic"? No offense, but you can't judge what goes on in another man's mind noo matter how hard you try. Like it or not, not every black man or woman is bound by the 95% who vote Democrat... some black people are capable of understanding that the Democratic party hasn't exactly lifted minorities out of poverty and unemployment. But Obama's speeches are enough for some to keep that "hope" alive.

Ben Carson is a very intelligent and accomplished non-politician with the balls to call out bad policy right in front of the bad policy champion. I'd vote for him.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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18 Mar 2013 18:28 #4 by archer
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Rick wrote: Ben Carson is a very intelligent and accomplished non-politician with the balls to call out bad policy right in front of the bad policy champion. I'd vote for him.



So being anti-gun is OK as long as he's a Republican.

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18 Mar 2013 19:19 #5 by bailey bud
archer - think the point was that he doesn't just blindly comply with the official party-line.

Rick - I simply want a candidate that isn't beholden to special interests.......

I'm hoping (perhaps naively) for authenticity.

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18 Mar 2013 19:25 #6 by otisptoadwater

FredHayek wrote: Ben Carson does appear to be anti-gun so I do believe he is a free thinker about some things


On first blush it does seem like Ben Carson is new to politics, as a practicing pediatric neurosurgeon I almost understand his stance on guns (but I happen to disagree with his position). Trying to find a minority face to represent the GOP isn't that hard, Marco Rubio is a good example of a better known potential candidate. I would like to see more of Ben Carson to determine if he is being used as a mouth piece for short term to generate better polls for the GOP going into 2014 or if there is a more extensive history. Most of all I want conservative candidates that say what they will do and then go do what they said they would do.



Benjamin Solomon "Ben" Carson, Sr. (born September 18, 1951) is an American neurosurgeon. He is the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, by President George W. Bush in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson

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19 Mar 2013 08:40 - 19 Mar 2013 08:45 #7 by Rick
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archer wrote:

Rick wrote: Ben Carson is a very intelligent and accomplished non-politician with the balls to call out bad policy right in front of the bad policy champion. I'd vote for him.



So being anti-gun is OK as long as he's a Republican.

Where is the rule that all Republicans have to think alike? Now if he was against controling spending and was for bloating government further like Obama, THAT would be a problem for me.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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19 Mar 2013 08:44 #8 by FredHayek
Rick,
All Republicans think alike is Rule #1 in the Dem playbook. They all hate women, even GOP women hate women. They all are anti-abortion, even the ones like me that support abortion rights. lol We are all like Robots in lock step with what FNC tells us.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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19 Mar 2013 10:34 #9 by archer
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Rick wrote:

archer wrote:

Rick wrote: Ben Carson is a very intelligent and accomplished non-politician with the balls to call out bad policy right in front of the bad policy champion. I'd vote for him.



So being anti-gun is OK as long as he's a Republican.

Where is the rule that all Republicans have to think alike? Now if he was against controling spending and was for bloating government further like Obama, THAT would be a problem for me.

You are getting as good at avoiding answering a direct question as Fred.

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19 Mar 2013 10:40 #10 by Blazer Bob
Smart people do not have a litmus test for politicians.

"Perfect is the enemy of the good."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is ... my_of_good

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