another black conservative

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote: Really? You believe that Democrats voting based on abortion is why this county is going down the tubes?

One issue voters?

I know some gun culture people who vote only for the candidate that has a better record on guns. I would presume some liberals vote only for anti-gun politicians.

I'm sure some do, but I sure can't see why they should shoulder the blame for why this county is "going down the tubes", if in fact it is.

As I've said before. I'd be happy with tabling these social issues, and focus purely on economics for awhile.

RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote: Really? You believe that Democrats voting based on abortion is why this county is going down the tubes?

One issue voters?

I know some gun culture people who vote only for the candidate that has a better record on guns. I would presume some liberals vote only for anti-gun politicians.

I'm sure some do, but I sure can't see why they should shoulder the blame for why this county is "going down the tubes", if in fact it is.

As I've said before. I'd be happy with tabling these social issues, and focus purely on economics for awhile.

Unfortunately, tabling these social issues does not make them go away.....I, and I know many other liberals, are convinced that even if a conservative says he/she is focused on economic issues, the social issues will eventually come back to the top of their agenda. For those of us who have supported the many social agendas for women, seniors, gays, the poor, health care,etc.....suspending our support because of the economy is very short sighted. I won't support fixing the economy on the backs of those who fought so hard for what little they get, nor will I vote for a party that still puts an ideology into their party platform that is anathema to everything I believe.

edited to add....I do wish both democrats and republicans would spend more time on the economic issues than on the social issues.......they do need to work together to get stuff done, the tax code absolutely HAS to be addressed, sooner rather than later, spending and revenue both have to be adjusted to the reality, not to some liberal or conservative utopia, the future needs to be addressed, not the short term fixers we are seeing......but I reiterate, I will not vote for someone even if I agree with their fiscal solutions if they disagree with those rights I believe to be essential to the future of this nation.

archer wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote: Really? You believe that Democrats voting based on abortion is why this county is going down the tubes?

One issue voters?

I know some gun culture people who vote only for the candidate that has a better record on guns. I would presume some liberals vote only for anti-gun politicians.

I'm sure some do, but I sure can't see why they should shoulder the blame for why this county is "going down the tubes", if in fact it is.

As I've said before. I'd be happy with tabling these social issues, and focus purely on economics for awhile.

Unfortunately, tabling these social issues does not make them go away.....I, and I know many other liberals, are convinced that even if a conservative says he/she is focused on economic issues, the social issues will eventually come back to the top of their agenda. For those of us who have supported the many social agendas for women, seniors, gays, the poor, health care,etc.....suspending our support because of the economy is very short sighted. I won't support fixing the economy on the backs of those who fought so hard for what little they get, nor will I vote for a party that still puts an ideology into their party platform that is anathema to everything I believe.

edited to add....I do wish both democrats and republicans would spend more time on the economic issues than on the social issues.......they do need to work together to get stuff done, the tax code absolutely HAS to be addressed, sooner rather than later, spending and revenue both have to be adjusted to the reality, not to some liberal or conservative utopia, the future needs to be addressed, not the short term fixers we are seeing......but I reiterate, I will not vote for someone even if I agree with their fiscal solutions if they disagree with those rights I believe to be essential to the future of this nation.

So what rights exactly are you referring to that you, or others do not have? Abortion is legal. It will always be legal. Is gay marriage the last social issue that you want? What others rights do you deem missing, but critical, before we address our fiscal situation?

Although you have proven my point. You, and many others will not vote in a person with the desire to fix the country long term, because of a possibility, no matter how slim, that they might do something socially disagreeable to you. That is why we are sinking into a hole.

bailey bud wrote: I really do wonder, though - if this guy speaks from his own point of view - or whether or not he's surrounded by ideological handlers that tell him what to think. I suppose I wonder whether he's authentic (except for Paul, I have not seen what I'd consider an authentic GOP star for awhile).



All of this is to ask the question ---- what (in your opinion) is behind the rise of Ben Carson?

I am wondering why you would wonder at his authenticity? I think he is too new to politics to have much in the way of handlers.

As too his rise it is because he is smart, successful, has a storybook rags to riches past and spoke at the prayer breakfast. The fact that he is black is gravy to the right because of the lefts mime that the right is racist. That is why he is under attack as an uncle tom. The left would rather attack his authenticity than his philosophy.


Here is an op-ed on the subject.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/gregory-k ... le/2524918

Bob - I happen to like most of what he has to say. Being who I am, I simply want tl like something - because it's real.

I don't want something that is trumped up by beltway king makers.

I'm simply wary of what feels like a collective and orchestrated effort to promote African Americans with a conservative voice.

Let's face it - when Bill Cosby criticizes the ills of urban America - he is better received than - say Mike Huckabee.

I think it's fair and reasonable to ask, "what's behind it?"

I'm very willing to accept "Ben Carson is behind it - because that's simply who he is......"

I'm with you BB, but I'm still a trust but verify kind of voter. The lack of mud coming to the surface on Carson speaks well of his background and I'm hopeful that anything that does surface turns out to be false or so minor that the lamestream press won't be able to do much with it.