Walter L Newton wrote:
You're trying to baffle us with lots of words... did you really have to type all that just to remind us you're a hedonistic slacker?
Walter..I told you..I mistakenly thought you were a Rightwingnut..Were on the same team my friend! Stop insulting me
I thought we were talking about union employees here - maybe a better term than 'productive' would be 'present'.
In fairness, I must add that I have known many union employees who were good, productive, employees.
Were talkin about paid vacation time and Union people have some power in the workplace, hence they have paid vacation time..But 2-3 weeks minimum should be law- I don't want to live in a world with people who work 52 weeks a year- Theyre gonna go off at some point and start shootin people
Vice Lord wrote: Hey dumbass..I know you think youre all worldly cause you spent a few months in Dubai- you can't help but bring it up no matter what the subject is, but you just can't go live out the rest of your life in another country unless they let you, and most of them won't...
It was 4 years in Abu Dhabi douche bag. Get your f-n facts straight.
Vice Lord wrote:
I DON"T LIKE CORPORATE INTERESTS RUNNING THE COUNTRY.
And I don't like gubment running corporations...... That's what we call socialism.
The average American worker gets 8-9 paid vacation days per year. No - that's not what you'd get in France
but this isn't France. If you want to join in on all the fun they're having -- move there ---- it's not that hard. I just had a friend move to Costa Rico, and another move to Qatar. You don't need to be wealthy to move away (I sure as hell wasn't).
Vice Lord wrote: I DON"T LIKE CORPORATE INTERESTS RUNNING THE COUNTRY. Thats not what our fore fathers had in mind, they wanted a government "for the people, by the people" remember? And you sound absurd saying in one hand that the rest of the world has paid time off, then you say because 10% of Americans have paid time off that our companies have to go out and get the rest of the world to get things manufactured.....
And to the ignorant that say giving people time off can't possibly work? Look at the rest of the world, look at Germany. We don't have to speculate about this.
Got news for you VL - the AFL/CIO, Teamsters, and every other union organization are "corporate" interests.
25% of French get 365 paid days of vacation a year, because they are unemployed!
It is so expensive to hire new workers, because you have to give them so much vacation time so unless a new expansion pays off real well, you just stay the same size.
Economics control business decisions.
Why I think it would be great to have a single payer goverment health care system in America. If you could hire workers at decent wages without providing healthcare, you might even be able to pay them a little more.
VL, BTW, our French distributor actually has to pay their workers double pay for taking August off. They figure they still have to pay the rent of their Paris apartments and south French cottages.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Vice Lord wrote: Hey dumbass..I know you think youre all worldly cause you spent a few months in Dubai- you can't help but bring it up no matter what the subject is, but you just can't go live out the rest of your life in another country unless they let you, and most of them won't...
It was 4 years in Abu Dhabi douche bag. Get your f-n facts straight.
Vice Lord wrote:
I DON"T LIKE CORPORATE INTERESTS RUNNING THE COUNTRY.
And I don't like gubment running corporations...... That's what we call socialism.
:rofllol Is that whats in dandger of happening in the United States?
#Moron
And PS- I've been to Dubai/Abu Dhabi ...Its like saying "i didn't go to Dallas, I went to Ft Worth, or "I didn't go to Minneapolis, I went to St Paul..." You don't know s**t about the world Bailey Bob
"And to the ignorant that say giving people time off can't possibly work? Look at the rest of the world, look at Germany. We don't have to speculate about this.."
Having a European Grandson......dual citizen until 18 and having spent much time in Europe, VL you are very underexposed.......BUT, the Highly SOCALIZED Europeans which many missguided Americans see as a model have a great life in many ways.........BUT....ahhhhh that always present BUT.....AMERICANS since 1945 (after we liberated them from massive Socalist failures, including Commies and National Socalists (NAZIs) WE paid with our national treasure to keep then SAFE (we still do so).....that unbrella permitted them to build a welfare system that is the envy of the world and rebuild the infrastructure the war destroyed......BUT AMERICANS signed most of the checks.......and still do so. Through our hard work and continued sacrifice they thrive......good deal if you can get it.....they got it......OH BTW Europeans are massive biggots and control immigration so there is a minor issue with the social ills we so readily embrace
sad, sad.
VL.....to be clear , our security net saved the European nartions trillions of Euros that was needed to pay their way in defense....that their POLS used to rebuild.
AND the GERMANS are smart.......they work that way and so have higher productivity (and a small armed force). More time at the beach.
Americans are fools........look into why SPAIN and Germany really do support open borders in USA......they really control South America at the highest levels and ship their social problems as much as possible NORTH.....what fools we are.
The big challenge is that productivity has grown ---- so it takes fewer people to do the same thing that was being done 10 years ago ---- and productivity grew faster than demand ---- so there's less need for low-skill workers. Stagnant demand = stagnant pay. And - since there's stagnant demand workers - there's really no need economically to incite people to work by offering more generous time off.
How to fix?
- make the low skill workers high-skill workers (in some cases, that's blind optimism).
- organize the low skill workers (not as beneficial as you'd imagine - the union takes a good chunk of the salary/benefit increases, and creates new layers of bureaucracy)
- get rid of the low skill workers (Germany tried that in the 40s - I think we'd agree not a good solution)
- outlaw the productivity enhancements (USSR tried that for awhile - it was not sustainable)
I'd rather see unions grow than see gubment grow. I also think I'd remove the tax incentives the IRS provides that encourages productivity investments. Why would I want to incite employers to spend money on things that destroy jobs? Besides - if automation is already profitable, why do businesses need government subsidies/incentives? In theory, I like workforce training incentives - but they're easily abused.
I do feel the rapid growth in the net worth of high net worth individuals borders on exploitive, and I hope that uber-wealthy find a way to moderate their behavior.
Incidentally, my summer job will be replaced next year by a computer (in theory). So - I'll likely move from a $10/hr (fun) gig to something that's more menial, and pays less
and I hold a master's from an elite university. I'm not fussing, though ---- I was mostly doing the job for fun --- although I enjoyed the extra fun money that funded things like hunting trips, motorcycle cruises, and college tuition.
