A Challenge

Moonchild wrote:

Rick wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Obama or Pelosi say this:
1.The ACA will bring down the deficit
2. The ACA will help the economy

Now I've been trying to figure out if these are Obama truths, lies, or just plain ineptitude.

I can see either of the last two as possibilities, but I can't see how either of those statements could be the truth. I'm looking for someone to defend Obama here... someone please explain how one or both is possible.

Dougy?

Didn't this just start for everyone? How long does it need to be going before we actually see it affecting the economy? I guess this could be a defense, but it takes time for these things to make an impact somewhere, doesn't it? Are we too impatient in our instant gratification world?

I'm not talking about what has happened yet, after all, Obama waived his magic pen and gave businesses a one year delay on the mandate... so it will be at least a year before we can measure any real consequences to the deficit or economy. What I'm asking, is how is it that the economy will be stimulated by the ACA, and how will the ACA bring down the deficit? Will this help or hurt businesses which make up the economy and why. Will it make a difference in our deficit. Just debating the nuts and bolts about how this particular law is going to effect the economy and deficit, but I'm not looking for comments like this that don't address the topic:

archer wrote: The ACA is what you get when you try to appease conservatives....Maybe, just maybe, we will eventually get single payer out of this, Medicare for everyone.

Even if you believe that Obamacare will somehow hurt the economy, it won’t hurt the economy as bad as a government shut down. By the way, the evidence is that Obamacare is not going to hurt the economy, it’s going to help the economy.”
Barack Obama

All I ask is HOW? Anybody? Bueller?

Rick......So now you want to decide what are acceptable comments on "your" thread and what are not? Why not pay for your own forum like Bob did and you can control the comments.

Going back to your original post, anything speculated at this point on the effects of the ACA on our economy is just that, speculation. The budget office report says it will reduce our deficit (sorry no link, that is what I remember from what I have read) and during the shut down battle they indicated that stopping Obamacare would increase the deficit.....But only time will tell. Yeah, we are an instant gratification nation, we don't want to wait and see how something works, if it isn't immediately successful we want to scrap it.

Since the ACA was passed without a single Republican vote, isn't it disingenuous to try and blame this poorly written nightmare as an attempt at appeasement? The dems passed the bill that they wanted, period.

It's kinda sad that someone would make a comment like that as if they have no clue of the politics that went on around this bill and others before it. The R's have had one goal for going on 5 years now and that is to block ANY legislation put forth by the D's and even more so the President. They have not once negotiated in good faith nor have they had any real attempt at compromise the whole time. The vote count shows nothing more than how the games the R's were playing with the American People work out and it's sad to me to see that there is either dis-ingenuousness or ignorance that is behind a comment like that....

netdude wrote: It's kinda sad that someone would make a comment like that as if they have no clue of the politics that went on around this bill and others before it. The R's have had one goal for going on 5 years now and that is to block ANY legislation put forth by the D's and even more so the President. They have not once negotiated in good faith nor have they had any real attempt at compromise the whole time. The vote count shows nothing more than how the games the R's were playing with the American People work out and it's sad to me to see that there is either dis-ingenuousness or ignorance that is behind a comment like that....

I hear this all the time and it is incorrect. What was sequestration? The Republicans agreed to cut the military more than other non-discretionary funding to get other spending slowed.
Are you just choosing to listen to the liberal media and ignore the actual facts?
The Patriot Act was extended. How do you think that happened without bipartisan compromise?
The government shutdown? The Republicans gave into Obama and Reid. Sounds like they negotiated in good faith there too.

Negotiating in bad faith? Boehner, Reid, & Obama have a private budget meeting and the White House leaks the details to their favorite water carriers in the press. Pesky things facts are aren't they?

More bad faith? The Senate not voting on a Republican budget. Instead the country has been operating on continuing resolutions pretty much since BHO was elected. Is this the future of America?

It wasn't a republican "budget", it was a defunding of Obamacare with a budget thrown in as an afterthought. A non starter from the get go. Curious why you think the Senate not voting on the house bill is bad, but Boehner not allowing the house to vote on the Senate's clean bill receives no mention from you.

archer wrote: Going back to your original post, anything speculated at this point on the effects of the ACA on our economy is just that, speculation. The budget office report says it will reduce our deficit (sorry no link, that is what I remember from what I have read) and during the shut down battle they indicated that stopping Obamacare would increase the deficit.....But only time will tell. Yeah, we are an instant gratification nation, we don't want to wait and see how something works, if it isn't immediately successful we want to scrap it.

I realize it's speculation and one would have to go out on a very small limb and use simple logic mixed with a little commmon sense to answer.

For instance, if I was to ask you what would happen to rush hour traffic if gas prices suddenly jumped $3 a gallon, would you not be able to deduct what the most probable outcome would be? Would you need a government study or is that something you could just take an educated guess on?

So if we take Obama's word that the ACA will help the economy, isn't that something that we (who he works for) should be educated on? I'd just like to know how the economy will grow because of this law... otherwise, they are just words... like, "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor PERIOD". I would have also liked him to explain that one in detail BEFORE THE ELECTION. If words don't matter anymore and we should give politicians a pass every time they make shit up, we really have given up our freedom to a few people in Washington.

netdude wrote: It's kinda sad that someone would make a comment like that as if they have no clue of the politics that went on around this bill and others before it. The R's have had one goal for going on 5 years now and that is to block ANY legislation put forth by the D's and even more so the President. They have not once negotiated in good faith nor have they had any real attempt at compromise the whole time. The vote count shows nothing more than how the games the R's were playing with the American People work out and it's sad to me to see that there is either dis-ingenuousness or ignorance that is behind a comment like that....

Why was the ACA constructed behind closed doors and not on CSPAN as promised?