The Iranian Deal: Munich II

I can't believe Kerry signed this giveaway. I predict that Iran will have a nuke in less than 10 years.
Saudia Arabia and Israel are not amused. Think this sellout will move Israel to launch a raid on Iranian facilities?

I would like to hear from the progressives here on this forum to list all the reasons why this is a good idea.

C'mon. Speak up. I can't hear you!

Deja vu all over again. Clinton and W bribed North Korea to not develop nukes. What did Best Korea do? They made nukes. Probably with the help of the aid and money we sent them.

Unless you are willing to put boots on the ground, it is very hard to shut down another country's nuke program...although Israel seemed to have done it with their strategic raids on Syria and Iraqi reactors.

Why is Israel "allowed" nukes when Iran isn't? Serious question...I usually track with the right on most subjects, but can't figure out why the undying support for Israel. They've done some pretty crappy things themselves.

Why is Israel allowed nukes? Good question. Actually Israel offically denies that they have nukes.
It is a good question about who is allowed to have nukes. South Africa got nukes and then dismantled them and left the atomic club. Pakistan and India both have them, and not much was said.
And personally Pakistani nukes scare me more than Iranian ones.

towermonkey wrote: Why is Israel "allowed" nukes when Iran isn't? Serious question...I usually track with the right on most subjects, but can't figure out why the undying support for Israel. They've done some pretty crappy things themselves.

Well it's like a black family living in a racist white neighborhood.... if anyone should have firearms, it should be the black family.

towermonkey wrote: Why is Israel "allowed" nukes when Iran isn't? Serious question...I usually track with the right on most subjects, but can't figure out why the undying support for Israel. They've done some pretty crappy things themselves.

Partially because Israel does not have leaders who refuse to recognize other countries and threaten to "wipe them off the map". Also, because most, if not all, nuclear powers do not want ANY other countries obtaining nukes.

FredHayek wrote: And personally Pakistani nukes scare me more than Iranian ones.

Bingo. Why is Israel so worried when Pakistan has them too?
Didn't Israel and the Saudis just form a coalition to police the Iranians and the surrounding areas?Follow the money - This temporary agreementl will hurt Saudi oil exports and they are in cahoots with Israel right now.
This is just more sabre rattling from the spoiled child Israel IMO. Why don't they sign the Non Proliferation Treaty? They should take part themselves in the very same International Laws they ignore but want others to pay to enforce on their behalf.

Does anyone realy think Israel (or the Saudis) will let Iran develope a nuke without launchng a strike?
Does anyone really think Iran would use a nuke and NOT thinking it would be their own ending?

But if the P5+1 countries (United States, Britain, China, Russia, France and Germany) are behind this deal it must be bad right?
Or is this just bad because it is a possible chance for peace on Obama's watch? Look for the congressional conservatives to obstruct progress here as well I guess.

Remember this is ONLY a 6 month deal & the sanctions can be re-activated.

Photo-fish wrote:

FredHayek wrote: And personally Pakistani nukes scare me more than Iranian ones.

Bingo. Why is Israel so worried when Pakistan has them too?
Didn't Israel and the Saudis just form a coalition to police the Iranians and the surrounding areas?Follow the money - This temporary agreementl will hurt Saudi oil exports and they are in cahoots with Israel right now.
This is just more sabre rattling from the spoiled child Israel IMO. Why don't they sign the Non Proliferation Treaty? They should take part themselves in the very same International Laws they ignore but want others to pay to enforce on their behalf.

Does anyone realy think Israel (or the Saudis) will let Iran develope a nuke without launchng a strike?
Does anyone really think Iran would use a nuke and NOT thinking it would be their own ending?

But if the P5+1 countries (United States, Britain, China, Russia, France and Germany) are behind this deal it must be bad right?
Or is this just bad because it is a possible chance for peace on Obama's watch? Look for the congressional conservatives to obstruct progress here as well I guess.

Remember this is ONLY a 6 month deal & the sanctions can be re-activated.

It is not just conservatives.

I do wonder if this will make things worse, and inspire Saudi Arabia and Israel to ally in an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.