Supremes Vote 5-4 To Support Public Prayer

06 May 2014 12:04 #1 by FredHayek
Yesterday the Supremes in a party line vote decided the Christian prayers before a council meeting are allowed, as long as they don't try to convert or attack other religions.
Like the decision? I would prefer they not include prayer before government functions.

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06 May 2014 12:07 #2 by LadyJazzer
No, I don't like the decision...

And for once, we agree on something.

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06 May 2014 13:45 #3 by JMC
A bad decision imo.

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06 May 2014 13:51 #4 by PrintSmith
As the decision noted, prayer, particularly Christian prayer, has been part of the the function of government for as long as there has been a government in our Union. Those who object to the process fail to understand its purpose. The prayer is for the legislative body, not from it, a distinction even those with a room temperature IQ should be able to understand Given this reality the decision should have been 9-0 to overturn the lower court ruling absent an ideologically driven desire to separate the people from their faith in a quest to install government as the highest power in their lives.

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06 May 2014 13:58 #5 by FredHayek
The city council should be doing city business not praying.
And why are taxpayers still paying for a congressional chaplain?

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06 May 2014 14:24 #6 by PrintSmith
The prayer is said before the opening of the meeting, not during the meeting Fred. Same with the invocation said each day before Congress begins its business.

As to why we are paying for a chaplain? That's pretty easy - the people want a prayer said for their elected officials before they begin making sausages. Prayers, particularly Christian ones, have been said before the start of government business from the very beginning. To paraphrase the words of Samuel Adams spoken at the First Continental Congress in 1774, I am no bigot. I can hear the prayer of any man of piety and virtue who is a friend to his country. Unfortunately today, we seem to have a lot of bigots around these days who are not similarly inclined.

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06 May 2014 17:59 #7 by LadyJazzer
I've got a special "pet rock" that I'm rather attached to...I'd like to mumble an incoherent incantation over it for good luck at the next meeting I go to. I should think that would be okay... And if enough of us mutter incantations to one non-existent deity or another, hey, I bet we could fill up the entire meeting time with meaningless garbage and not have to have the meeting.

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06 May 2014 20:37 #8 by PrintSmith
As noted earlier, it seems that today we have bigots who are not inclined to hear the prayer of others, ironically those who tout their "inclusiveness" seem to be among the worst of the worst. Incoherent is par for the course for you these days isn't it Jazzer?

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06 May 2014 20:59 #9 by otisptoadwater
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Exactly, those who have traditional beliefs are expected to be tolerant of those who have alternative views and beliefs but it's far too much to ask that those who buck tradition deliver the same respect for others. Is it too much to ask that those who don't want to be present during the prayer leave the room or simply not participate or even go to a different location and pray to the flying spaghetti monster or what ever it is that they believe in?

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

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06 May 2014 21:24 #10 by FredHayek
I would think a Christian God would want to distance himself from any city council.

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