Shineski shut out of "loop"???

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05 ... -watchdog/

So-o-o, I am posting this link and ASKING.....how many of the users of MMT think that Shinseki
was OBLIVIOUS to the problem?

From my experience inside corp america.....the LOWER level management (up to and including
middle management) probably "tamped down" the information and did NOT allow the problems
to surface....MEANING, "all is well,we have it handled".....(= '''cooking the books")....UPPER
level and beyond does NOT want to hear of ANY perceived (or REAL) problems within "their"
empire......JMO

homeagain wrote: www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/15/shin...-testimony-watchdog/

So-o-o, I am posting this link and ASKING.....how many of the users of MMT think that Shinseki
was OBLIVIOUS to the problem?

From my experience inside corp america.....the LOWER level management (up to and including
middle management) probably "tamped down" the information and did NOT allow the problems
to surface....MEANING, "all is well,we have it handled".....(= '''cooking the books")....UPPER
level and beyond does NOT want to hear of ANY perceived (or REAL) problems within "their"
empire......JMO

I think you are right although that does not rule out the possibility that he was "willfully oblivious".

In either case he should resign and hide on the dark side of the moon for the rest of his life.

Makes sense, look how much Obama didn't know about ACA problems, or IRS problems, or Benghazi problems, or Fast & Furious problems.
Think Shineski should still resign for failing our veterans?

The "problems" were buried under the "good things"...likely on purpose. Any tracking of anything leads to people gaming the system. Seen it time and again.

IMO your job shouldn't be based on tracking times to wait for an appointment, or times seen, or wait times once a person gets to their appointment...the entire system from the time a person calls to make an appointment until the reason for the appointment has been concluded properly should be assessed...with word from the patients and possibly their care-givers if necessary.

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This didn't take long.


..."Public outrage about what allegedly went on at the Phoenix VA hospital is understandable and justified, but what we're seeing from Republicans like Cornyn and McConnell is just cynical manipulation of public opinion.
Republicans don't really care about veterans or the VA, they just care about using this controversy to discredit the President and his Democratic Party - there is an election coming up, after all - and as a twofer, discredit the idea of government-run healthcare programs like the VA. John McCain has even called for the VA to be privatized."..

After watching Game of Thrones where every person of influence has an army of spies to find out what is really going on, it is hard to believe the current administration is so clueless about every scandal that comes out.
Aren't they afraid of being thought of as idiots?

I know, it's hard to believe but:

Jay Carney: Obama First Learned About VA Scandal in the Media

President Barack Obama first learned of the scandal involving Department of Veterans Affairs hospital administrators concealing the true wait times vets faced in the press, according to a claim made by White House Press Sec. Jay Carney on Monday.

Wait ... what? ...

While the president may have not been aware of the falsified wait lists, however, reports indicate that his administration was informed of excessive wait times at the VA as early as 2008. Obama even campaigned on the issue of VA waiting lists in 2007.

It must have been in the news in 2007. Yea, that's it. :ThumbsUp:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carney-o ... the-media/

This would explain a lot.



"Unions Share Some Of Blame For VA Deaths
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By BETSY MCCAUGHEY
Posted 05/27/2014 07:01 PM ET

Encouraging vets on Medicare to use civilian care instead of the VA could cut the patient backlog at the VA by as much as half, solving a national crisis.

Almost half of vets are 65 or over, and nearly all vets using the VA have Medicare coverage.

Often, they'd be better off getting their bypass surgery and cancer operations at civilian hospitals that do higher volumes of these age-related procedures and have better survival rates, instead of sticking with the VA.

But the VA fails to tell them. The culprit is the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE), the union that dominates the VA. For AFGE, the VA is a jobs program.

The union wants more patients, bigger VA budgets and more staff, never mind what ailing vets need"...



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THANKS for the link.....having been a past union member (CWA)...I am ambivalent about unions.

CWA fought and WON, several cases for me, but in the end, they were in bed with management
and I declined to pay union dues, because of a "under the table" deal that was NOT presented
to the members... The VOTE on the issue would have radically changed the outcome of the
issue....

Now that this piece of information has been brought to the surface, it begins to make MORE
sense....STILL, if I were a vet, and I was being ignored,"shelved","shuffled"....I would have
made noise and gone elsewhere....so I do NOT understand the mentality of "waiting to die"
LACK of medical care..70 is NOT that much older than I am presently and I can assure you
THIS issue would have been a non-issue for me...I am my OWN health advocate.