Shineski shut out of "loop"???

02 Jun 2014 13:04 #21 by Blazer Bob

FredHayek wrote: IIRC, veterans get first choice on jobs at the VA, isn't the USPS run the same way?


Not first choice but bonus points on the civil service scoring system.

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02 Jun 2014 14:18 #22 by homeagain
BECAUSE of the duration of this disaster (years now)...what makes anyone think the problems
will be addressed and dealt with in a timely fashion....I do NOT see it happening...SSDD....the
problems run too deep and are too dire.....JMO

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02 Jun 2014 14:37 #23 by FredHayek
One interesting thing I came across this weekend, most of the people who get injured on active duty are taken care of in military hospitals that are seperate from the VA system. The veterans can choose to enter the VA system, maybe if they want to be re-united with family at home, but many, if not most, of the worst cases will stay in the military facilities.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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02 Jun 2014 15:58 #24 by ComputerBreath
Fred...that could be true for retirees. If you are not "retired" (medically retired counts) then you are not eligible for TRICARE and you are not eligible to be treated at military hospitals. Also, retirees are second from the bottom of the list when it comes to scheduling people for appointment...their dependents are at the bottom of the list. And not all military hospitals will accept TRICARE retirees. Plus, there are co-pays and other payments that have to be made.

Not all of the above is true when a veteran goes to the VA. For example: I pay $3 co-pay for all generic prescriptions through TRICARE and nothing when they are from the VA.

At this point, I am unsure which system is better or worse.

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02 Jun 2014 21:38 #25 by ScienceChic
An update from Jim Wright at Stonekettle Station :

And there it is.

Both sides of Congress screamed and hollered in feigned self-righteous indignation and got Shinseki to resign. Yah! Wohoo! Hooray!

And now they can claim they actually did something, you know, without actually doing a goddamned thing. No actual investigation - we've investigated Benghazi how many times now? All outraged over the deaths of 4 Americans in a war zone, but countless American Vets have died waiting for care in their own hospitals and not even a committee level review from Congress. Nothing. No review of procedure. No revision of process. No change in regulation. No expansion of services. No increase in funding. No attempt to address the real problem identified in the Inspector Generals report. Nope. They got rid of Shinseki, that'll fix it!

He also linked to this story, saying Congress isn't listening to vets on how to fix the problems:
Veterans' groups rip Richard Burr over VA
By HADAS GOLD
5/26/14

Leading veterans groups are lashing out against Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) for an open letter he wrote scolding the organizations for not doing more to condemn Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki.

Calling Burr’s letter a “monumental cheap shot” and a “disgusting ambush style of politics,” Veterans of Foreign Wars’ commander in chief William A. Thien and John E. Hamilton, the adjutant general, said on Monday that Burr should be ashamed of his conduct.

Paralyzed Veterans of America National President Bill Lawson and Executive Director Homer Townsend Jr. wrote that Burr represents “the worst of politics in this country.” And the Disabled American Veterans wrote that it is clear Burr would rather have heard them call for Shinseki to resign than to hear how to actually fix the VA.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/r ... z33XiOq7ut

As he mused in a later post on his Facebook Page , maybe here's the problem:

It's not just social media, it's 24/7 connectivity, it's the 24-hour news cycle, it's all the information of the world ported directly into our brains in full real-time streaming broadband. We're like crack addicts, we need a larger and larger jolt to get high.

The noise floor is set so high nowadays that you often have to shout pretty damned loud and pretty damned hysterically indeed to get noticed - at least by the lazy and dullwitted lowest common denominator who naturally gravitate towards sensationalism and hyperbole. If the dog ISN'T driving a giant robot tank full of killer bees and stomping school children into pudding, if the story isn't the MOST AMAZING THING, no one is likely to notice - at least not in enough volume to turn a profit. Which is why, I suspect, that the pundits and the media resort to comparing everything under the sun to Nazis and TV preachers spend an extraordinary amount time proclaiming the imminent arrival of the anti-christ and why a significant fraction of our population fully expects to be herded into FEMA Death Camps of Death run by giant killer robots, because if it's NOT the end of the world as we know it, well, you know, whatever, man, what-ever.

Why fix the problem in a common-sense way, when you can feign outrage and work it politically, and avoid any real work?

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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02 Jun 2014 21:49 #26 by otisptoadwater
:sarcasm: What needs to be fixed?

The VA health care system is just a micro-example of what we have to look forward to under Obamacare and/or a single payer medical care system.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus

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04 Jun 2014 08:18 #27 by Blazer Bob
you would think that salaries like this would buy some competence.

Page 1 of VA administrators' salaries for just the PHOENIX OFFICE.

openthebooks.com

http://www.openthebooks.com/search/?Pen ... ix&F_Name=

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04 Jun 2014 08:33 #28 by homeagain
BB, IF that were true, Jamie Dimon wouldn't have been beached by the "whale"...MISmanagement
is pervasive everywhere.

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04 Jun 2014 08:51 #29 by Blazer Bob

homeagain wrote: BB, IF that were true, Jamie Dimon wouldn't have been beached by the "whale"...MISmanagement
is pervasive everywhere.


I want more from our government.

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04 Jun 2014 09:25 #30 by homeagain

BlazerBob wrote:

homeagain wrote: BB, IF that were true, Jamie Dimon wouldn't have been beached by the "whale"...MISmanagement
is pervasive everywhere.


I want more from our government.


OH PLEASE......The government is procuring 2,400 F-35 at cost of 4 BILLION DOLLARS.....but,
OH BY THE WAY....our infrastructure, both physical and cyber is OBSOLETE and in dire need
of revision...for security of this nation.....I'd say THAT'S a little myopic and moronic.....JMO

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