How to Make a Safe Arrest

Just curious, now that the police (especially white) are going to be much more scrutinized, what is the best was to arrest a very large and strong man who does not want to cooperate? What methods can be used that would ensure with 100% certainty that no harm would come to the resisting suspect? The methods would need to be effective for all situations whether the suspect is trying to run, or is attacking, or is just using his body to fend off the cop(s). I'm drawing a blank.

But even if you set your phaser to "stun", couldn't that cause a heart attack if the suspect has heart problems, or he could collapse and crack his head open on the sidewalk?

Rick wrote: But even if you set your phaser to "stun", couldn't that cause a heart attack if the suspect has heart problems, or he could collapse and crack his head open on the sidewalk?

You are right nothing is 100% except liberals ability to get everything wrong.

(I was using progressive because liberal had taken on a bad taint. Since now progressive is a insulting I will switch back to liberal. Damn the deflections, full speed ahead.)

It'd be handy if people were like kittens, and you could pick them up by the nape of the neck to make them go limp.

Sometimes it's hard to break old habits, but you're right SC. I got a bit of a verbal beat down from my dad over Thanksgiving when I made a liberal joke he didn't appreciate. I told him I was an insensitive conservative knuckle dragger and he accepted that as an apology. My dad and I started laughing but my even more liberal step mom gave me the death stare

ScienceChic wrote: Absolutes really only apply in temperature and death.

My momma always told me:
"Never say 'Never',
You ain't supposed to say 'ain't',
and...

don't point."

<then we are all lumped as being "evil" and it's used as a way to dismiss all of my opinions, regardless of their merit.>

Almost (better?) everyone knows that conservatives are evil, liberals are just stupid.

AHH, I knew I stole that from someone. Not a bad read unless you already know that Krauthammer is just an evil, full of it righty.

www.chud.com/community/t/45848/liberals-...nservatives-are-evil

"No-Respect Politics
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, July 26, 2002

To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil."...

ScienceChic wrote:

BlazerBob wrote:

Rick wrote: But even if you set your phaser to "stun", couldn't that cause a heart attack if the suspect has heart problems, or he could collapse and crack his head open on the sidewalk?

You are right nothing is 100% except liberals ability to get everything wrong.

(I was using progressive because liberal had taken on a bad taint. Since now progressive is a insulting I will switch back to liberal. Damn the deflections, full speed ahead.)

"Everything"??? Ya know, I chastise my boy when he says I "never" let him do anything fun, or "always" make him do his homework (I know, I'm just a bitch who demands and expects a lot of her kids so I ain't apologizing, and they've turned out damn fine to date).

Absolutes really only apply in temperature and death.

Hmmm, methinks I must do some digging to find a "No Stereotyping" emoticon.

The thing with terms, like "progressive", "regressive", "liberal", etc is not the term itself, but the manner in which it is intended. I have no problem being identified as a liberal, hell I've even joked when it's been used against me as an insult that they were actually complimenting me (thanks Teddy & RT). But, I do have a problem being grouped with others who make choices that I don't agree with just because we share some beliefs, and then we are all lumped as being "evil" and it's used as a way to dismiss all of my opinions, regardless of their merit. It's objectifying, not trying to build dialog, communication, understanding, or an effective way forward and out of a mess.

As I've requested before, when participating in discussions here, address the topic at hand and the facts. Bring your own, or risk your opinion being dismissed as only yours alone and not credible. Do not discuss the other poster, or label them - it's not what the CH is for. We'll have better discussions if we stick to that, and if you feel the need to get more personal, we've got a place for that too - we've got it all on this site!

Rick wrote: Just curious, now that the police (especially white) are going to be much more scrutinized, what is the best was to arrest a very large and strong man who does not want to cooperate? What methods can be used that would ensure with 100% certainty that no harm would come to the resisting suspect? The methods would need to be effective for all situations whether the suspect is trying to run, or is attacking, or is just using his body to fend off the cop(s). I'm drawing a blank.

I was taught to respect the authority of the law even if you don't respect the individual currently trying to enforce it. If a cop tells me to put my hands behind my back, I'm going to comply, and have faith that the system will work. If I don't, we've become nothing but animals.

I was pulled over in Morrison for speeding. My dog yipped in the back seat just before the 25MPH sign and I hit the brakes a little late. I finally pulled over into the gas station, and without thinking, I got out to grab some paper towels to clean up the mess before it soaked in too far. The officer pulled out his gun, and told me to get back in the vehicle.

You know what I did? I got back in the vehicle and placed my hands on the steering wheel. When he approached my window, I apologized and told him I just wanted to clean up the barf. He said he'd appreciate it if he could get my ID, registration and insurance first, then I could clean it while he was in his car. He wrote me up for 9mph over (15 mph minimum my foot).

Do I respect the officer? Nope. Do I respect Morrison PD? Nope. Do I respect the laws that give them authority to do what they do within their town limits? Yep. Am I gonna get shot over dog barf? No flippin way. My kids in the back seat were watching and listening - it was a great learning moment for them. Initial contact can be stressful, but showing respect will diffuse any disagreement.

Respect shown to officers is usually reciprocated by the officers. If he would have cuffed me, I would have kept quiet, understanding that he's in a stressful situation and wants to go home after his shift. When he calmed down, I'd be able to discuss it with him.

If more people would learn that simple attitude, the incidents of death by arrest would drop drastically.

The guy in New York - his family claims he had no cigarettes on him, or in his car. If he stopped and was honest with the cops instead of going off like a 300lb bottle rocket, it could have been a peaceful encounter.

In Ferguson, if the kid had not attacked a cop, he'd still be stealing cigars.

The problem didn't start with the cops, the problem is the cop's increased wariness due to an increasing lack of respect from citizens. I believe that lack of respect for authority goes hand in hand with the entitlement attitude causing havoc with our economy.

Body cameras. Recording equipment that details every interaction. Multiple cell phone recordings - all are evidence that either the cop went too far or the citizen brought the pain on themselves.

It's kind of flippant to talk about it this way when lives are at stake, but cops need an instant replay, and citizens need to be able to throw a challenge flag after the play to get it reviewed.