To actually address a problem, first identify if it is a symptom or the cause. Police have violent crime units, not gun crime, knife crime, etc. units. Violent crime has many causes and gets reported by the media in the most dramatic fashion, what sells the most copies or ad space. My purpose here isn't to sway an opinion as that is mostly useless. Do a couple web searches on "Gun Free Zones" and then find the White House gun expert Joe "buy a shotgun" Biden was the primary source of gun free zones in schools, etc. Now do a search of gun free zone killings since 1990 when it came about. The numbers are staggering. It can't be proven that having a gun free zone was the cause of all the killings, but the correlation can't be ignored or denied.
When someone posts, more guns isn't the answer, ask why not? Did they suddenly become clairvoyant? The gun doesn't cause crime, it is just a tool used by criminals to instill fear or kill. In the hands of law enforcement, citizens and so forth, it is also just a tool, but for defense of self or others.
Why resort to innuendo and hidden agendas? Much better to actually state the facts than resort to the use of half truths and misleading statements.
I assume that the "gun free" zones that you claim were "sourced" by Joseph Biden is actually the Gun Free SCHOOL Zone Act that was sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden in 1990 and passed by a majority in the Senate and House. That law is actually no longer in effect as it was struck down in 1995 and was stayed beginning in 1992. Congress then passed another Gun Free School Zone act in 1996 that has been upheld as to this date. Please note that 104th US Congress (1996) had republican majorities in both the House and Senate. So this "gun free zones" legislation is the product of the Republican party.
The actual Gun Free School Zones Act made it a federal crime to carry or use a firearm that has traveled through interstate commerce in a school zone UNLESS the individual is LEO or is licensed by the state to carry or use firearms in school zones or is an employee or contractor authorized by the school to carry and use a firearm at that school. Students may have possession of a firearm under strict conditions (part of a school sponsored activity).
You can now actually debate or emphasize the merits or lack thereof any part of this legislation without resorting to innuendo or implications. Is that not much more informative?
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
Something the Dog Said wrote: Why resort to innuendo and hidden agendas? Much better to actually state the facts than resort to the use of half truths and misleading statements.
I assume that the "gun free" zones that you claim were "sourced" by Joseph Biden is actually the Gun Free SCHOOL Zone Act that was sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden in 1990 and passed by a majority in the Senate and House. That law is actually no longer in effect as it was struck down in 1995 and was stayed beginning in 1992. Congress then passed another Gun Free School Zone act in 1996 that has been upheld as to this date. Please note that 104th US Congress (1996) had republican majorities in both the House and Senate. So this "gun free zones" legislation is the product of the Republican party.
The actual Gun Free School Zones Act made it a federal crime to carry or use a firearm that has traveled through interstate commerce in a school zone UNLESS the individual is LEO or is licensed by the state to carry or use firearms in school zones or is an employee or contractor authorized by the school to carry and use a firearm at that school. Students may have possession of a firearm under strict conditions (part of a school sponsored activity).
You can now actually debate or emphasize the merits or lack thereof any part of this legislation without resorting to innuendo or implications. Is that not much more informative?
So how is variant one, two or ? working out for us? Once someone decides to commit mass murder, how much does another felony dissuade them?
According to the NRA, crime has not risen appreciably in the last two decades since the Gun Free School Zone Act was enacted. An article by the NRA addresses the lack of violent crime in schools and the provisions of the Gun Free School Zones Act in the later part of the article.
Something the Dog Said wrote: <snip> ...Joseph Biden is actually the Gun Free SCHOOL Zone Act that was sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden in 1990 and passed by a majority in the Senate and House. That law is actually no longer in effect as it was struck down in 1995. Congress then passed another Gun Free School Zone act in 1996 that has been upheld as to this date.</snip>
Who started the entire movement for School zones to be gun free? Oh, wait you provided that answer... I thing OP has more to do with the consequences of "Gun Free Zones" that is has to do with who started the movement and who perpetuated it. This is a 2nd amendment issue not a "who passed that idiotic law" issue IMHO. American citizens still have the right to keep and bear arms and some of us will stand up and defend that right even after some mentally defective asshole abuses that right and commits a criminal act.
More citizens should seek the qualifications that it takes to carry concealed handguns; People in the United States should be held personally accountable for what they do. If you have a CCL then you should know what the consequences of firing a weapon at an other human being are, they should also know when a situation warrants firing a weapon at another human being and not hesitate to take action when it's appropriate.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
Something the Dog Said wrote: Why resort to innuendo and hidden agendas? Much better to actually state the facts than resort to the use of half truths and misleading statements.
I assume that the "gun free" zones that you claim were "sourced" by Joseph Biden is actually the Gun Free SCHOOL Zone Act that was sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden in 1990 and passed by a majority in the Senate and House. That law is actually no longer in effect as it was struck down in 1995 and was stayed beginning in 1992. Congress then passed another Gun Free School Zone act in 1996 that has been upheld as to this date. Please note that 104th US Congress (1996) had republican majorities in both the House and Senate. So this "gun free zones" legislation is the product of the Republican party.
The actual Gun Free School Zones Act made it a federal crime to carry or use a firearm that has traveled through interstate commerce in a school zone UNLESS the individual is LEO or is licensed by the state to carry or use firearms in school zones or is an employee or contractor authorized by the school to carry and use a firearm at that school. Students may have possession of a firearm under strict conditions (part of a school sponsored activity).
You can now actually debate or emphasize the merits or lack thereof any part of this legislation without resorting to innuendo or implications. Is that not much more informative?
So how is variant one, two or ? working out for us? Once someone decides to commit mass murder, how much does another felony dissuade them?
And how does the Gun Free School Zone Act cause such an individual to commit the mass murder in a school? As you stated, an individual dedicated to committing mass murder would go forward regardless of the consequences. It does enable your individual to be arrested and prosecuted if they are caught before or during the process of the crime, which has occurred on a number of occasions. Local schools are allowed to hire armed security guards and even authorize teachers and other employees to carry firearms. Parents if they are licensed may even carry firearms under the Act, unless the local school or state prohibits them.
What would be different if the republican passed Gun Free School Zones Act was not in effect? The only individuals actually prohibited by the Act are those who do not possess a state license for their firearm. Any other prohibitions are those imposed by the state and/or local school boards.
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
Something the Dog Said wrote: <snip> ...Joseph Biden is actually the Gun Free SCHOOL Zone Act that was sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden in 1990 and passed by a majority in the Senate and House. That law is actually no longer in effect as it was struck down in 1995. Congress then passed another Gun Free School Zone act in 1996 that has been upheld as to this date.</snip>
Who started the entire movement for School zones to be gun free? Oh, wait you provided that answer... I thing OP has more to do with the consequences of "Gun Free Zones" that is has to do with who started the movement and who perpetuated it. This is a 2nd amendment issue not a "who passed that idiotic law" issue IMHO. American citizens still have the right to keep and bear arms and some of us will stand up and defend that right even after some mentally defective asshole abuses that right and commits a criminal act.
More citizens should seek the qualifications that it takes to carry concealed handguns; People in the United States should be held personally accountable for what they do. If you have a CCL then you should know what the consequences of firing a weapon at an other human being are, they should also know when a situation warrants firing a weapon at another human being and not hesitate to take action when it's appropriate.
I realize that the OP tried to link mass murders in schools with legislation sponsored by Sen. Biden, but as have been pointed out, that legislation enacted by majorities in the House and Senate was in effect for only a year or so. The 104th Congress having republican majorities passed the current legislation. Of course, the Gun Free School Zones Act does not apply to individuals who are licensed to carry, nor does the Act in any way affect the 2nd Amendment. It allows local school boards to decide whether or not their employees and contractors should be allowed to carry firearms, and even students if their firearms are necessary for a school sponsored activity. It is a sensible piece of legislation, despite the ridiculous attempts to link Joseph Biden to school mass murders through it. Really, the OP and others who oppose it should be embarrassed.
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
Something the Dog Said wrote: Why resort to innuendo and hidden agendas? Much better to actually state the facts than resort to the use of half truths and misleading statements.
I assume that the "gun free" zones that you claim were "sourced" by Joseph Biden is actually the Gun Free SCHOOL Zone Act that was sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden in 1990 and passed by a majority in the Senate and House. That law is actually no longer in effect as it was struck down in 1995 and was stayed beginning in 1992. Congress then passed another Gun Free School Zone act in 1996 that has been upheld as to this date. Please note that 104th US Congress (1996) had republican majorities in both the House and Senate. So this "gun free zones" legislation is the product of the Republican party.
The actual Gun Free School Zones Act made it a federal crime to carry or use a firearm that has traveled through interstate commerce in a school zone UNLESS the individual is LEO or is licensed by the state to carry or use firearms in school zones or is an employee or contractor authorized by the school to carry and use a firearm at that school. Students may have possession of a firearm under strict conditions (part of a school sponsored activity).
You can now actually debate or emphasize the merits or lack thereof any part of this legislation without resorting to innuendo or implications. Is that not much more informative?
So how is variant one, two or ? working out for us? Once someone decides to commit mass murder, how much does another felony dissuade them?
And how does the Gun Free School Zone Act cause such an individual to commit the mass murder in a school? As you stated, an individual dedicated to committing mass murder would go forward regardless of the consequences. It does enable your individual to be arrested and prosecuted if they are caught before or during the process of the crime, which has occurred on a number of occasions. Local schools are allowed to hire armed security guards and even authorize teachers and other employees to carry firearms. Parents if they are licensed may even carry firearms under the Act, unless the local school or state prohibits them.
What would be different if the republican passed Gun Free School Zones Act was not in effect? The only individuals actually prohibited by the Act are those who do not possess a state license for their firearm. Any other prohibitions are those imposed by the state and/or local school boards.
There is no difference between Republican or Democrat on a failed law. This law provides a relatively safe shooting gallery environment for the criminal while denying the citizen from defending themselves and their children.
In fact, according to reports by the DOJ, homicides in schools has dropped from 29 per year to 20 per year on average and the total number has dropped in half since the Gun Free School Zones Act went into effect.
