current hate movements reminding me of the NAZIs.

archer wrote:

rlcarolyn wrote: They are the selfish inconsiderate ones wanting to place it there. PERIOD.

Maybe congress can pass a bill making selfish and inconsiderate illegal. I'm sure the Republicans would jump right on that bandwagon, since our rights don't seem to mean much to them anymore.

......I guess they would like to make being a Democrat illegal too......so what will it be.....an oligarchy? a monarchy? a fascist state? what is it you republicans want? Because you sure as hell seem to hate democracy/republic.

Funny how you throw the word NAZI around yet you nothing about them really. So here is alittle history lesson, the short version. As told to me by someone who lived through it. My mother. The Nazi party was the hero's in the beginning until Germans realized what some of them were doing.

As you put it with Muslims, it was the same in Germany. Not all Germans followed the Nazi party yet you seem to label all Germans Nazi. Alot of them did not want anything to do with war, the killing were not condoned in Private by the majority of the German population. But they feared if they went public they would be killed. My mother, my grandmother and grandfather who actually fought in the German Army (alot of men were not asked, they were told they would) There was more than one attempted assination on Hitler. All failed. Hitler himself was not German but Austrian. Now here is alittle more info for you. The "German Social Democrat Party" was the beginning of the NAZI party. Hilter added National to the front of that then later dropped the Democrat part in favor of "National Socialist German Workers Party". The nickname for this was "THE NAZI PARTY" Muslims are not all bad. Not all terrorist are Muslims either. That has been proven. The radical Muslims is/are the ones to worry about.

uh.....was the word Nazi in my post? nope.....not all fascists are Nazis

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism. fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html



Sounds a lot like what I have been hearing from the tea party......you don't like it, then change to perception.

With due consideration to your mother.....not opposing is tacitly condoning (I would have probably done the same.....because opposition meant death and I don't have a death wish). We, in this nation, are doing it now......as the voters call for more and more restrictions on our personal life and say nothing about our loss of freedoms when we advocate for the designation of 2 class citizen for a particular group.

what you are describing is not just republicans doing it, it is both sides. And until people realize this, things will continue. I do not like that they want to build where it is, but I also spent 20 years of my life defending the right for them to do just that. Problem we have is, if we stop them from doing it then what is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not hear any grips about the fact that since 9/11 there has been daily Muslim plus all others services held at the pentagon non denominational chapel.

First, the chapel at the Pentagon is only 20 steps away from the crash into the Pentagon. A service is held every Thursday at 2:00 pm for muslims.

Facism and Nazi-ism (sp) are both conservative movements. That may be why some of the liberals here fear it. But you conservatives need to do a little research. Yes, it is insidious. As has been said, you don't speak up, the loss of rights keeps creeping up.

The Patriot Act, for example, infringes on basic Constitutional rights. The conservatives and liberals were in the majority in it getting passed (vote-wise). It's as bad as John Adams and his law along the same lines. Except that was struck down by the Supreme Court.

I don't care who your parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles are and were forced to fight. So were Americans. Ever hear of the draft? The WWII Marines said, "if you love your country enough to live in it, you should love it enough to fight for it."

No one knows what they would do in such a situation. But we must always be vigilant against the erosion of our rights.

I think it's lousy thinking by the Muslims in NYC, but it's their right if they have the land and follow the building codes.

navycpo7 wrote: what you are describing is not just republicans doing it, it is both sides. And until people realize this, things will continue. I do not like that they want to build where it is, but I also spent 20 years of my life defending the right for them to do just that. Problem we have is, if we stop them from doing it then what is next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not hear any grips about the fact that since 9/11 there has been daily Muslim plus all others services held at the pentagon non denominational chapel.

You are absolutely right.....I may be a liberal but I have no illusions about how much they care about me, and how much they care about themselves. We are our own worst enemies.....we scream "throw the bums out" then elect clones with a different letter after their name. Instead of letting the pendulum swing naturally we start pushing it to it's limits right and left. Those of us who pretty much sit in the middle, or right and left of middle, are left with no choices at all. And please don't tell me the Tea Party is the middle ground, they just plain scare the hell out of me.

Maybe more reading on your parts would help. http://www.mises.org/daily/1937

Years ago, back in college, I was working on a paper for a sociology class having to do with the rise of Facism in Germany. I was very fortunate to have access to original sources - propaganda books, film, articles from the period just before and just as the Nazi party was coming into power.

They may have been a little simplistic by today's standards, but just about any of you who are supporting the Glenn Beck/Tea Party movement would have found the materials extremely familar and comforting. They were all about family values, national pride, hard work, God, and a "return to prosperity and freedom".

It's a big mistake to imagine that facist movements start out by saying "Come join our hate group, we are going to send all those people we are blaming our troubles on to death camps!"

Nope. The photos and text portrayed attractive rural scenes of innocence and plenty, wholesome appearing family activities, and pride and honor in God and country.

I sometimes wish I still had access to those materials because I would like to see them more widely known. Most people have simply NO IDEA how the German people were sold this bill of goods. We know how it turned out, but the people "getting on board" with it back in the 1930s thought they were getting involved in a positive "rebirth" of their country.

It's a total fallacy to imagine that they knew they were signing up for jackbooted thugs to begin a reign of terror and death and depravity.

AV, see the link I posted above.

The Dude wrote: When the GOP says no christian churches in Oklahoma City, no U.S. flag flying over Baghdad & Kabul, then maybe Ill take their NY/Islamic center rage (a tiny bit) more seriously

Ahhh, the progressive fairy tale of McVeigh being a Christian again is told in an attempt to link a terrorist with no religion to the terrorists who act in the name of their religion.

McVeigh was, at best, an agnostic. He renounced his Catholic faith years prior to committing his evil act. To even begin to equate what McVeigh did and what the Muslim terrorists did is to compare apples and sausage. You can't even call it an apples to oranges comparison because both of those items grow on trees and it is apparent to anyone who knows anything about the OK City Bombing and the WTC and Pentagon attacks that both were not done in the name of perverting a religion.

Of course, it makes for a grand, if highly flawed, attack on conservatives by the progressives if they are but able to convince you of the lie by telling it over and over and over.