Subpoena Contempt

Subpoena Contempt was created by koobookie

I am curious about how others view members of the Trump administration ignoring subpoenas issued by Congress. My view is that Congress has the right to issue these, and to ignore them is breaking the law.

Your thoughts?
16 Oct 2019 16:42 #1

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Replied by ramage on topic Subpoena Contempt

No subpoenas have been issued. LETTERS{ love those caps, thanks HA) have been seen which the media likes to present as subpeonas, obviously you accept their statements. You will note that if a subpeona is issued the recipient has remedy to go to the court. This is exactly what is happening. Sorry that the sources that you look at do not understand the law.
16 Oct 2019 16:53 #2

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Replied by koobookie on topic Subpoena Contempt

ramage wrote: No subpoenas have been issued. LETTERS{ love those caps, thanks HA) have been seen which the media likes to present as subpeonas, obviously you accept their statements. You will note that if a subpeona is issued the recipient has remedy to go to the court. This is exactly what is happening. Sorry that the sources that you look at do not understand the law.


I don't think that is correct. There were letters requesting information, but when there was nothing coming from the White House, subpoenas have been issued.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/201...mulvaney/3869609002/

The subpoenas in that article are due this Friday, the 18th.

Rudy has defied his subpoena.

nlike Giuliani, Trump has not been subpoenaed. Giuliani received his subpoena on Sept. 30. His decision to defy that request for documents opens up the possibility he could be found in contempt of Congress. Spokespeople for the Democratic chairs of the three committees leading the inquiry did not respond to a request for comment about Giuliani’s decision to ignore the subpoena.

news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-refuses-to-...poena-211920120.html

Here's more:

The White House, the Pentagon and President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday all refused to comply with House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry subpoenas, escalating the fight between the administration and Democratic lawmakers.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/4659...mpeachment-subpoenas

These look like more than just letters requesting documents and information. Please correct me if I'm wrong

This is beginning to look like Contempt of Congress.
16 Oct 2019 19:16 #3

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Replied by towermonkey on topic Subpoena Contempt

As I understand it, these carefully worded letters that are written to appear as subpoenas are not enforceable because there is no official inquiry. An official inquiry would require a vote. A vote won’t be taken. Schiff will continue to call witnesses who weren’t there but have an ax to grind and the witnesses that were there will continue to defy the kangaroo court. The most that they can do is send the master at arms to try and compel a witness to show up. No going to happen. Trump has called Pelosi’s bluff.

theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/10/...-rick-perry-edition/
Last edit: 17 Oct 2019 06:35 by towermonkey.
17 Oct 2019 06:33 #4

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Replied by homeagain on topic Subpoena Contempt

koobookie wrote: [quote="ramage" post=361474]No subpoenas have been issued. LETTERS{ love those caps, thanks HA) have been seen which the media likes to present as subpeonas, obviously you accept their statements. You will note that if a subpeona is issued the recipient has remedy to go to the court. This is exactly what is happening. Sorry that the sources that you look at do not understand the law.

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I don't think that is correct. There were letters requesting information, but when there was nothing coming from the White House, subpoenas have been issued.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/201...mulvaney/3869609002/

The subpoenas in that article are due this Friday, the 18th.

Rudy has defied his subpoena.

nlike Giuliani, Trump has not been subpoenaed. Giuliani received his subpoena on Sept. 30. His decision to defy that request for documents opens up the possibility he could be found in contempt of Congress. Spokespeople for the Democratic chairs of the three committees leading the inquiry did not respond to a request for comment about Giuliani’s decision to ignore the subpoena.

news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-refuses-to-...poena-211920120.html

Here's more:

The White House, the Pentagon and President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday all refused to comply with House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry subpoenas, escalating the fight between the administration and Democratic lawmakers.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/4659...mpeachment-subpoenas

These look like more than just letters requesting documents and information. Please correct me if I'm wrong

This is beginning to look like Contempt of Congress.[/quote]

I decided NOT to respond to this ridiculous claim, because it is a WASTE of energy and time.
Obviously the collective does not do research......very easy to rebuke the refusal of RESEARCH.....thank you for posting the OBVIOUS.
17 Oct 2019 06:42 #5

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Replied by towermonkey on topic Subpoena Contempt

At the very basic level, Congress does not have the right to subpoena the executive branch without a formal inquiry which would require a vote. A subpoena sent without enforcement ability is nothing more than a letter.
17 Oct 2019 06:48 #6

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Replied by Brandon on topic Subpoena Contempt

towermonkey wrote: At the very basic level, Congress does not have the right to subpoena the executive branch without a formal inquiry which would require a vote.


Which law requires this?
17 Oct 2019 07:15 #7

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Replied by koobookie on topic Subpoena Contempt

Brandon wrote:

towermonkey wrote: At the very basic level, Congress does not have the right to subpoena the executive branch without a formal inquiry which would require a vote.


Which law requires this?


Yes, I am also curious about this. I've been having a similar discussion with a conservative friend on another social media platform - I ask the same question, because he gives the same reason for defying the subpoena, but he can never give me the law or requirements.

As I understand it, the Constitution gives Congress the power to impeach, in any manner they choose.
17 Oct 2019 08:06 #8

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Replied by towermonkey on topic Subpoena Contempt

Can you tell me what judicial enforcement authority specifically covers these subpoenas? In the Nixon SCOTUS case, it was specified that congress had subpoena authority in relation to an ongoing trial.
17 Oct 2019 08:50 #9

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Replied by Brandon on topic Subpoena Contempt

So there's no such law and the subpoenas are legitimate.
17 Oct 2019 09:09 #10

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