The hardest thing I’ll ever ask you to do...

In your own words, using ONLY facts, please describe to me what President Trump did to deserve being thrown out of office and do you think Trumps words and actions would be seen as impeachable by the founders. Of course this last part is just your opinion and is exempt from the facts only criteria.

Hope you’re all having a fantastic weekend! I’m sick in bed

Edit to add, please don’t post any articles or links that backup your facts, let’s pretend like we are sitting around a campfire with no internet. We can fact check later if necessary.

I doubt you’ll get many responses so I’ll throw my take in. Trump probably intended to ask for an investigation into the DNC server and Crowdstrike in exchange for the money being released. The new Ukrainian President didn’t catch the innuendo and was oblivious that that is what was going on. I think the Biden thing was just thrown in as an afterthought, probably spurred by Rudy’s investigations. There is no proof that there was this intent, there is only speculation from secondhand sources. First hand sources were not allowed to testify, and rather than wait for the courts to compel this testimony, which they would have, the house democrats jumped the gun. Now they know they have no case and are not sending the articles to the Senate, in which case, Trump has not been impeached. There are still only two presidents who have been.

I KNOW you will get few responses, and because you are sick, I will entertain you.

PAST behavior is indicative of present performance. I have taken my clues from his childhood
and his father. In his adult life (pre political)his abilities/performance/business acuity was NOT
fined tuned and has NOT improved to this day. As I have stated before, he does NOT make it, he fakes it. THAT can be traced to his understanding of integrity and accountability.From my
understanding, the father was the role model and he was always attempting to "please" or make proud...in order to accomplish that he (as a trust fund teenager)found the path to please. Do
whatever it takes (legal or illegal,moral or immoral....no matter): THE PRESENT PERSON you
have in front of you is the product of POOR self image and lack of personal evolution.

(as I sit on this log, with my hands wrapped around a warm mug of Bailey's and coffee,boots braced against a rock, fire crackling......theses are my thoughts)

Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution give Congress sole power to determine how impeachments are handled. Trump has ordered people to ignore Congressional subpoenas. That is obstruction of justice, and is grounds for impeachment and removal from office.

towermonkey wrote: I doubt you’ll get many responses so I’ll throw my take in. Trump probably intended to ask for an investigation into the DNC server and Crowdstrike in exchange for the money being released. The new Ukrainian President didn’t catch the innuendo and was oblivious that that is what was going on. I think the Biden thing was just thrown in as an afterthought, probably spurred by Rudy’s investigations. There is no proof that there was this intent, there is only speculation from secondhand sources. First hand sources were not allowed to testify, and rather than wait for the courts to compel this testimony, which they would have, the house democrats jumped the gun. Now they know they have no case and are not sending the articles to the Senate, in which case, Trump has not been impeached. There are still only two presidents who have been.

First hand witnesses were ordered not to testify - by the President.

That’s true. What is supposed to happen when there is a dispute between two co-equal branches of government is for the third branch, the judicial branch, to decide. According to the democrats, they couldn’t wait because Trump constitutes an ongoing threat to the country. If that were true, the articles would have been submitted to the Senate. Holding up the articles of impeachment shows that us just a bunch of bovine scat. There is no defined crime, no witnesses to the no crime and a whole bunch of politics.

towermonkey wrote: That’s true. What is supposed to happen when there is a dispute between two co-equal branches of government is for the third branch, the judicial branch, to decide. According to the democrats, they couldn’t wait because Trump constitutes an ongoing threat to the country. If that were true, the articles would have been submitted to the Senate. Holding up the articles of impeachment shows that us just a bunch of bovine scat. There is no defined crime, no witnesses to the no crime and a whole bunch of politics.

Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution:
"The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."

Seems pretty clear and factual to me. Congress has oversight over the Executive branch. Not complying to that portion of the Constitution, to which Nixon and Clinton did comply, is not upholding the Presidential oath of office. Can't get much more straightforward than that.

Not that it will make much difference, but both Nixon and Clinton were accused of crimes.

towermonkey wrote: Not that it will make much difference, but both Nixon and Clinton were accused of crimes.

Not sure what your intention is on that post. An impeachment is essentially an indictment of a public official, which is saying that sufficient evidence exists to justify trying the party for that crime. Pretty sure that is an accusation of a crime.

Except there are no crimes stated in the articles.