Many suspicious fires

16 Sep 2020 15:16 #11 by ScienceChic
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This is what kills me about this issue: these fires aren't any more suspicious than they were a few years ago, arsonists have always existed and will continue to cause destruction when and where they can (and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law possible). What's different is that scientists have been warning the world for decades now that what we are seeing now is precisely what would happen - more severe and extended droughts, more extreme weather swings (record highs - like CA recording the hottest temp ever on Earth last month - and record lows, changes in regional precipitation, mega-wildfires, more intense and/or more frequent hurricanes, loss of biodiversity, acidifying oceans, etc which would result in harder to recover from disasters, and yet the Republican Party overall in general has denied the science, denied reality, and continued to support the miniscule number of deniers' claims. Trump himself has stated over and over again he doesn't believe in climate change (nor in vaccines once upon a time, funny how that's changed now that there's a pandemic which will impact his ability to get re-elected), and did so again during his most recent visit to areas devastated by historic fires. Not one scientist will tell you that fires are caused by climate change, what they do say is that they are exacerbated once started by conditions increasingly worsened by climate change. We are seeing the effects year after year in continuing to break our greenhouse gas atmospheric concentrations, our "hottest year" records, "largest fire" records, and "most hurricanes by X date" records.

There are always arsonists, not a single soul will dispute that, it's even mentioned in this article shared by Elk Creek Fire a couple of days ago. That the USFS hasn't been managing the overgrowth of our forests well for nearly a hundred years now is nothing new, cutting back on prescribed burns and aggressively containing fires that do start even in low-risk areas. People have been camping that entire time and starting fires, and yet mega-fires and a constant fire season are a recent phenomenon - the difference? Increasing temperatures, worsening droughts, overload of fuels, and more people in the wildland-urban interface on top of all that fuel. All variables we knew were going to happen if we did nothing to mitigate anything, and here we are because of a lack of political will to do anything about our looming fire danger, efforts by oil and gas companies to continue their status quo, greed-driven industry through lobbying, fighting efforts to adapt to sustainable energy sources, and supporting sketchy scientists at laughable "foundations" to push confusion about the science so the public has little will to demand change. Politicians keep ignoring the issue because they can, they cut fire prevention budgets, and rake in the dough while the public suffers the consequences and has to keep paying more for insurance, and to rebuild lost homes and livelihoods.

Of course more burned in prehistoric times - who cares? 1.) the climate was different then and, more importantly, 2.) humans weren't there to suffer the results. We have to deal with the reality we are facing now so more people don't die or lose their homes and businesses (and our economy isn't further harmed), and that means we need to get serious about addressing climate change, how we manage our land and growth/development, and how we respond to disasters of all types. We need to better mitigate our forests, being we're more proactive than reactive, so we build safely, responsibly, and sustainably. We need to rebuild coastal wetlands we've drained to build upon that provide a buffer for hurricanes allowing them to lose strength before reaching towns and cities where they cause loss of life when they hit, and soaring costs to remediate and rebuild. We need to start incentivizing people to move back from coastlines that will become inundated by rising sea levels. We need to stop building homes in too-risky of areas, or those who choose to live there need to understand that they won't receive bailouts when their homes are destroyed because at some point we will run out of money to rebuild areas that should be left undeveloped. Every mile of concrete poured, every forest clear cut, every gallon of fossil fuels that are dug up out of the ground and burned will keep making this situation worse and it requires a coordinated, worldwide serious effort to address it - individuals only changing their behaviors will not cause enough of an effect.

This long article (mentioned above) is well worth your time to read:
They Know How to Prevent Megafires. Why Won’t Anybody Listen?
This is a story about frustration, about watching the West burn when you fully understand why it’s burning — and understand why it did not need to be this bad.
by Elizabeth Weil, ProPublica | Aug. 28, 2020

“What’s it like?” Tim Ingalsbee repeated back to me, wearily, when I asked him what it was like to watch California this past week. In 1980, Ingalsbee started working as a wildland firefighter. In 1995, he earned a doctorate in environmental sociology. And in 2005, frustrated by the huge gap between what he was learning about fire management and seeing on the fire line, he started Firefighters United for Safety, Ethics, and Ecology. Since then FUSEE has been lobbying Congress, and trying to educate anybody who will listen, about the misguided fire policy that is leading to the megafires we are seeing today.

So what’s it like? “It’s just … well … it’s horrible. Horrible to see this happening when the science is so clear and has been clear for years. I suffer from Cassandra syndrome,” Ingalsbee said. “Every year I warn people: Disaster’s coming. We got to change. And no one listens. And then it happens.”

We live with a deathly backlog. In February 2020, Nature Sustainability published this terrifying conclusion: California would need to burn 20 million acres — an area about the size of Maine — to restabilize in terms of fire.

The pattern is a form of insanity: We keep doing overzealous fire suppression across California landscapes where the fire poses little risk to people and structures. As a result, wildland fuels keep building up. At the same time, the climate grows hotter and drier. Then, boom: the inevitable.

A six-word California fire ecology primer: The state is in the hole.

A seventy-word primer: We dug ourselves into a deep, dangerous fuel imbalance due to one simple fact. We live in a Mediterranean climate that’s designed to burn, and we’ve prevented it from burning anywhere close to enough for well over a hundred years. Now climate change has made it hotter and drier than ever before, and the fire we’ve been forestalling is going to happen, fast, whether we plan for it or not.

How did we get here? Culture, greed, liability laws and good intentions gone awry.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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16 Sep 2020 15:24 #12 by koobookie
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Pony Soldier wrote: "The science is clear, and deadly signs like these are unmistakable — climate change poses an imminent, existential threat to our way of life. President Trump can try to deny that reality, but the facts are undeniable. We absolutely must act now to avoid a future defined by an unending barrage of tragedies like the one American families are enduring across the West today," Biden wrote.


"Climate change caused these fires." - Joe Biden - not

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16 Sep 2020 15:46 #13 by FredHayek
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Time to start granting licenses to clear out all the beetle kill here and across the West. Make it easy and inexpensive for companies to start work.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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18 Sep 2020 12:21 - 18 Sep 2020 12:30 #14 by HEARTLESS
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More evidence of human caused wildfires.
jwatch.us/kQBvzy
Can't seem to get the Judicial Watch/Daily Caller article to load. Go to Youtube and Judicial Watch to see it.

The silent majority will be silent no more.

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18 Sep 2020 14:18 - 18 Sep 2020 14:19 #15 by Blazer Bob
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23 Sep 2020 06:53 #16 by Pony Soldier
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SC, when I posted above, I was not talking about prehistoric times. I was talking about a century or two ago. Fires have been a part of that region and the Rockies long before recent unproven theories have attributed them to industrialization.

www.hcn.org/issues/251/13986

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23 Sep 2020 07:56 #17 by homeagain
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It really is very elementary.....push limits of anything and eventually it will implode/explode/destroy.cease to exist.

GAIA has limits,she has been abused/neglected/ignored....she is NOW in the process of CORRECTION
and it is NOT completed....

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23 Sep 2020 08:44 #18 by homeagain
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I think the fire dept/forestry have a REAL good understanding of the problem..the other site has a thread on
the mitigation Of Flying J Ranch. It is a hotly debated subject,HOWEVER,the professionals in the industry
have attempted to educate the posters and speak to the vast problems ALL mtn/heavily treed areas are
encountering....NEGLECT,MISMANAGEMENT.

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23 Sep 2020 16:36 #19 by Pony Soldier
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homeagain wrote: It really is very elementary.....push limits of anything and eventually it will implode/explode/destroy.cease to exist.

GAIA has limits,she has been abused/neglected/ignored....she is NOW in the process of CORRECTION
and it is NOT completed....


Gaia? What does some myth have to do with forest fires? Did you miss the part where I proved that these fires have been going on a lot longer than we have been here? You're not making any kind of sense.

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24 Sep 2020 07:39 #20 by homeagain
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Pony Soldier wrote:

homeagain wrote: It really is very elementary.....push limits of anything and eventually it will implode/explode/destroy.cease to exist.

GAIA has limits,she has been abused/neglected/ignored....she is NOW in the process of CORRECTION
and it is NOT completed....


Gaia? What does some myth have to do with forest fires? Did you miss the part where I proved that these fires have been going on a lot longer than we have been here? You're not making any kind of sense.


he scientist James Lovelock named his influential theory of global interconnectedness the Gaia hypothesis after her.
Here on Earth, The Forgotten Founding Father, and Other Reviews|The Daily Beast|April 30, 2011|DAILY BEAST

Have U omitted the UNprecedented number of cat 4,5 hurricanes, the multitudes of oil spills, the dying off
species because we have polluted their perfect environment,the once in a hundred years MULTIPLE
FLOODINGS, the earthquakes along UNDISCOVERED fault lines,the problem with the fires is THIS.....
they are HOTTER AND MORE INTENSE because of more fuels....these are not fires that REGENERATE
growth, these are fires that SCORCH THE EARTH till it is barren. No growth can take hold. I live next
to a 1/4 acre of land (finally ,after 5 years,we were able to purchase it). The previous owner sprayed
concentrated weed killer on it.....it was BARREN for two years, not one single slice of green material,no
thistles,no tumble weed,no wildflower,no bush....STERILE. That is what these multiple infernos will
produce....nothing green.

I live in an agricultural area,for decades,the ranchers do a LIGHT burnoff of the weeds and grass along
their irrigation ditches,the NEW GROWTH, gorgeous light green hue is the result. THAT WILL NOT
BE THE CASE WITH THESE INTENSELY HOT WILDFIRES.....so I hope I answered your question...

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