Rick wrote: Do you agree with Pony and me that Trump will get more minority voters than any Republican in history? When that happens, how would you explain it?
That putting people in boxes based on their ethnicity, religion, gender, race, and sexual preferences are dumb assumptions to make about how they'll vote..
The question is, do you bother asking people why they support whom they do, why they don't support the other candidates, and start talking about issues and solutions that you can find some common ground on and having fun, in-depth conversations, or do you just want to keep putting people in boxes, making assumptions about someone's beliefs based on how they vote or some other one-dimensional, superficial metric.
Well, thank you for at least addressing my prediction, but I wish you would have done that before it was proven to be correct. Unfortunately you've missed my point once again. You know how much I despise our biased and unfair media and this prediction was ONLY about that. The media you seem to trust has been telling us how much of a racist Trump is and how much he hates immigrants, especially those with darker skin. The Democrats and the media are the ones putting people in boxes, I'm just pointing out that those people can think for themselves.
My question is simple, if the media and Democrats are correct that Trump is a monster who hates minorities, then why would he get record numbers of minority votes? Who in the world would vote for someone they thought hated them because of their race or ethnicity?
The true credibility of your trusted media is at the bottom of the barrel and once again these idiots who come up with these polls need to find different lines of work.
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
Rick wrote: Do you agree with Pony and me that Trump will get more minority voters than any Republican in history? When that happens, how would you explain it?
That putting people in boxes based on their ethnicity, religion, gender, race, and sexual preferences are dumb assumptions to make about how they'll vote..
The question is, do you bother asking people why they support whom they do, why they don't support the other candidates, and start talking about issues and solutions that you can find some common ground on and having fun, in-depth conversations, or do you just want to keep putting people in boxes, making assumptions about someone's beliefs based on how they vote or some other one-dimensional, superficial metric.
Well, thank you for at least addressing my prediction, but I wish you would have done that before it was proven to be correct. Unfortunately you've missed my point once again. You know how much I despise our biased and unfair media and this prediction was ONLY about that. The media you seem to trust has been telling us how much of a racist Trump is and how much he hates immigrants, especially those with darker skin. The Democrats and the media are the ones putting people in boxes, I'm just pointing out that those people can think for themselves.
My question is simple, if the media and Democrats are correct that Trump is a monster who hates minorities, then why would he get record numbers of minority votes? Who in the world would vote for someone they thought hated them because of their race or ethnicity?
The true credibility of your trusted media is at the bottom of the barrel and once again these idiots who come up with these polls need to find different lines of work.
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The VERY reason I don't pay attention to polling data.....I would NEVER answer the questions nor would I answer an EXIT POLL.
The pollsters did seem to get egg on their face last night. In so many states, they just didn't catch the shy Trump vote. It was supposed to be a landslide for Biden, but it is now looking like they will have to grab every vote in order to win.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Pony Soldier wrote: Wow... you should be running for office with that non-answer lol.
It's not intended as a non-answer, this is something I was pretty sure you agreed with me on. I have opposed identity politics for some time now, and that is what I said in my last reply. Identity politics is what Republicans slam Democrats for, and rightly so - I'm agreeing that it's counter-productive and dumb. So is populism, nationalism, and extremism, all three of which are directions both of our parties are headed in some fashion, and it's plainly evident in the results of yesterday's election. Sorry, I'm just not going to make any baseless statements as to why I think minorities supported Trump in this election because I don't have the data to draw any conclusions and I'm not a minority myself so I can't speak from a personal POV. Frankly, I think it's great that we are complex beings who hold diverse views, and if the Republican Party is figuring out how to reach voters they haven't typically served before, good for them. It shouldn't be that one party serves one type of voter, they should both be serving us all. Democrats sure haven't learned that lesson, as we've seen amply with the results of this election.
Biden is winning but not by a landslide, Democrats lost seats in the house and did not take the Senate, and Trump seems very likely on his way to losing. That tells me, big picture, that the American people are frantically trying to create checks and balances on two parties that they find huge faults with because they are both going the wrong damn direction - away from the needs of The People. The pendulum keeps swinging out farther and farther, extremism begets extremism, and we lose in the process. Trump is the head of that problem for Republicans (any leader who simultaneously claims he won the election before the ballots are all counted and complains that Democrats are stealing the election, again before the results are known, is an unhinged moron who shouldn't be leading this country), and the Squad is the head of the Democrats problem. As I've said before, we both need to boot the extremists from our parties, resoundingly denounce law-breaking, uphold the rule of law especially when it's someone we support who did wrong, and figure out a way to work together.
Rick wrote:
ScienceChic wrote: Well, thank you for at least addressing my prediction, but I wish you would have done that before it was proven to be correct. Unfortunately you've missed my point once again. You know how much I despise our biased and unfair media and this prediction was ONLY about that. The media you seem to trust has been telling us how much of a racist Trump is and how much he hates immigrants, especially those with darker skin. The Democrats and the media are the ones putting people in boxes, I'm just pointing out that those people can think for themselves.
My question is simple, if the media and Democrats are correct that Trump is a monster who hates minorities, then why would he get record numbers of minority votes? Who in the world would vote for someone they thought hated them because of their race or ethnicity?
The true credibility of your trusted media is at the bottom of the barrel and once again these idiots who come up with these polls need to find different lines of work.
Why does it matter when I agree? Shouldn't it matter more that I did?
You know what though, you're totally right. It's "my trusted media" and I should forevermore only cite articles from CNN and MSNBC, or better yet, Occupy Democrats, Media Matters and Michael Moore, since that's "the media I seem to trust." No more court documents, no more press releases straight from the DOJ or White House, no more scientific journal articles just pure biased bullshit rammed down everyone's throat all the time. Apparently, nothing I've done and said these past 10 years means sh*t.
You can't just want an echo chamber here, right? Do you want to try to understand other voters' perspectives without making the same stereotypical assumptions that you excoriate them for now? Despite all the evidence right here on this site of the sources I've posted, I am accused of "trusting the media" and it makes me never want to bother posting again. I grow weary of being lumped into a box, as you claim only Democrats and the media do. How about sharing an article in which some minority voters have been interviewed and discussing their answers as to why they voted the way they did? Isn't that a much more interesting and productive conversation than beating the media dead horse again?
Trump is a malignant narcissist who cares only for himself. Everyone is beneath him, even some of his own children and his wives, their ethnicity matters not. All that matters to him is loyalty. He can't even be bothered with a dog or a cat. There's no joy in any stories that come from the WH, no games played on the lawn, no silly photos, no words of encouragement or displays of sincere empathy to those who've lost so much this year, just angry Tweeting and insults. He rules by fear-mongering and bullying, and people sometimes vote against what they fear (real or imagined) rather than for what they favor/support, even to their own detriment. There's more to it than that, but that requires letting go of assumptions about your own party just as I've had to let go of some of mine about Democrats (who are not even my party). It's unnerving, uncomfortable, at times aggravating, and requires a change in modus operandii. Are you up for the challenge?
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Record turnout confirmed. Biden, the most in history, and Trump, the 2nd most. So more people voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016. Colorado was the first state ever to get 83% voter turnout. Congratulations fellow citizens!
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Pony Soldier wrote: Wow... you should be running for office with that non-answer lol.
It's not intended as a non-answer, this is something I was pretty sure you agreed with me on. I have opposed identity politics for some time now, and that is what I said in my last reply. Identity politics is what Republicans slam Democrats for, and rightly so - I'm agreeing that it's counter-productive and dumb. So is populism, nationalism, and extremism, all three of which are directions both of our parties are headed in some fashion, and it's plainly evident in the results of yesterday's election. Sorry, I'm just not going to make any baseless statements as to why I think minorities supported Trump in this election because I don't have the data to draw any conclusions and I'm not a minority myself so I can't speak from a personal POV. Frankly, I think it's great that we are complex beings who hold diverse views, and if the Republican Party is figuring out how to reach voters they haven't typically served before, good for them. It shouldn't be that one party serves one type of voter, they should both be serving us all. Democrats sure haven't learned that lesson, as we've seen amply with the results of this election.
Biden is winning but not by a landslide, Democrats lost seats in the house and did not take the Senate, and Trump seems very likely on his way to losing. That tells me, big picture, that the American people are frantically trying to create checks and balances on two parties that they find huge faults with because they are both going the wrong damn direction - away from the needs of The People. The pendulum keeps swinging out farther and farther, extremism begets extremism, and we lose in the process. Trump is the head of that problem for Republicans (any leader who simultaneously claims he won the election before the ballots are all counted and complains that Democrats are stealing the election, again before the results are known, is an unhinged moron who shouldn't be leading this country), and the Squad is the head of the Democrats problem. As I've said before, we both need to boot the extremists from our parties, resoundingly denounce law-breaking, uphold the rule of law especially when it's someone we support who did wrong, and figure out a way to work together.
I would agree that identity politics are disgusting and insulting. The problem is that the democrat party relies almost entirely on identity politics. The Republican party wasn't ever interested in going after the minority votes because the democrats offered free stuff. Trump tried a different tactic and said if you are willing to work for it, I can give you a pathway to financial independence. This resonated with a large portion of the minority communities but their leaders, such as Clyburn, are still in control of most of the minds. It is now at least a battle for minds instead of pandering. I will give that credit to Trump.
As to the parties pulling further away from center, that is very true and has the feel of an outside hand guiding things that way. I believe that hand to be Chinese and also believe that Biden is wholly owned by China. He was not asked questions during this campaign. The media gave him an absolute pass which is in itself disgusting and tells a story of its own. I know you think you have won a victory should Biden prevail, and it looks like he will, but you will soon realize your mistake. Or maybe you won't because the media will never report it. I will say that the financia prosperity of the last 4 years is gone. We will now enter that dark winter that Biden promised us. He won't be president for long. He will now easily be removed from power because of the Hunter scandal that nobody would even allow discussion on. It was real and not some "Guliani Story" like some here called it. The information on that laptop was verified by the intel community, and two first hand whistleblowers came forward. Y'all still voted for a corrupt sellout. I don't know if it was knowingly, but if not, it was your own fault for not knowing the truth. Goodbye USA, hello China.
HERE'S what seems to be a balanced story of the events....notice it indicates TRUMP was inefficient
and ineffective in his approach to this "bombshell".......
Oh HA, sometimes you are just too much. Now it’s Trump’s fault that Hunter Biden’s criminality wasn’t reported or even pursued? Please just stop. You’re rid of Trump, your side has stolen an election on a massive scale. Give it a rest.
ScienceChic wrote:
You can't just want an echo chamber here, right? Do you want to try to understand other voters' perspectives without making the same stereotypical assumptions that you excoriate them for now? Despite all the evidence right here on this site of the sources I've posted, I am accused of "trusting the media" and it makes me never want to bother posting again. I grow weary of being lumped into a box, as you claim only Democrats and the media do. How about sharing an article in which some minority voters have been interviewed and discussing their answers as to why they voted the way they did? Isn't that a much more interesting and productive conversation than beating the media dead horse again?
You're never going to get it SC and at this point I doubt you ever will. We all have to rely on the media to tell us what the truth is and we all pick different sources to get that truth. The last four years of Trump coverage has been disgraceful and dishonest at best and un-American at worst. There are so many facts out there that counter the majority of media narratives that were created to take out a duly elected president, yet that seems to be ok with you because orange man is a bad guy in your eyes. I believe you're the only scientist here yet you never seem to want to talk about facts and indisputable evidence. Why don't we start with that, like real journalists and scientists are supposed to do?
I know you think I'm a major asshole, but I never get direct answers around here when it comes to facts that are inconvenient. It becomes too frustrating for me to be nice and just let it go, so I just keep pushing for direct answers, which probably makes me insane for expecting a different result. I really just want people to admit something is true when I know they are smart enough to know it really is true. A good good example would be Joe Biden recently introducing his little granddaughter as Beau Biden, his dead son. I would be amazed if any Biden voter here or in the media actually admitted that this man has some serious mental decline and has no business taking the most powerful job in the world. There's hundreds of examples like that where if Trump did it, the media would bashing his supporters over the head with it. The new emperor has no clothes and the media and his supporters are silently accepting that fact.
There's also all the corrupt influence peddling for millions which you and I both know would be the end of Trump if he and his son did the same thing. So SC, if you're wiling to talk about facts in the future and not opinions, I'd love to debate you in a civil way.... and as always, I will always be wiling to answer direct questions with direct answers and I hope you and others will try to do the same.
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
Pony Soldier wrote: Oh HA, sometimes you are just too much. Now it’s Trump’s fault that Hunter Biden’s criminality wasn’t reported or even pursued? Please just stop. You’re rid of Trump, your side has stolen an election on a massive scale. Give it a rest.
NOT MY OPINION......just a news item that PS stated is never covered. As always, it it my opinion that TRUMP is terrible at forward thinking and does NOT inhabit a leadership quality for a POTUS...he dons
the robe of a king or a mob boss.
