Now you're qualifying it Rick - either a text message is a text message and they should be kept private, or they are subject to accountability. You can't pick and choose which way you want it just because you agree with one instance and not with another.
I wasn't arguing one way or the other BB, I was pointing out the double standards - Rick had no problem with the FBI agents' texts being revealed to the world, but thinks "private texts should NEVER be available to anyone but those who are involved in sending or receiving." Page and Strzok were lovers, and their stupidity (in addition to cheating on spouses) was using government-issued phones for personal messages. Would it be okay that ALL government-issued phones are subject to discovery and publication? Consider the ramifications of that carefully.
Even if Strzok had remained on Mueller's team, what would it have mattered if there was no evidence found proving Trump did what he was accused of? What matters are the facts, and innocent people shouldn't fear investigations being conducted.
My last paragraph states loud and clear what I think should be done. I think emails and texts should only be revealed per a judge's orders for an investigation into criminal activity, and anonymous dumps onto the internet or by newspapers, without any other corroboration or investigation, is wrong.
I find it disheartening that the reason this effort by the DNC even came to pass was never brought up and discussed, for it points to the deeper rot in some in the Republican Party that science, facts, and people's lives don't matter, only fear-inducing clickbait headlines and outrage for social media clicks and fundraising. It is not okay that elected officials spew lies that are causing more death and misery. People need reassurance from their leaders that these vaccines are safe and everyone who can should be getting them. They should be doing outreach with community leaders in under-vaccinated communities in their districts, as the Biden administration is, to empower trusted local leaders to allay distrust and increase vaccination rates.
I admit that I’m struggling to come up with an analogy that would shed some light on the sheer insanity of this moment.
Try to imagine, for example, a campaign to mock attempts to improve airline safety in the wake of a crash that killed hundreds. Or try to envision a political class that would ridicule and undermine engineers who were trying to shore up the foundations of condominiums in Florida in the days after a horrific building collapse there.
None of that, however, even comes close to the genuine depravity of the current burst of performative anti-vax demagoguery we are seeing right now.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
ScienceChic wrote: Now you're qualifying it Rick - either a text message is a text message and they should be kept private, or they are subject to accountability...
...My last paragraph states loud and clear what I think should be done. I think emails an.sd texts should only be revealed per a judge's orders for an investigation into criminal activity, and anonymous dumps onto the internet or by newspapers, without any other corroboration or investigation, is wrong.
Weren't the the Page and Strzok texts released as part of the IG report that took years to compile and presumable had appropriate legal procedures to gain access to them?
I do not get how that relates to the topic of this thread. Seems to me you two are talking past each other, but that's just me.
Rick wrote: I asked you all to read that slowly for a reason. Rampage was able to comprehend what the article is saying and others can’t seem to get it.
I see this on Facebook all the time. Someone posts something then the Facebook “fact” checkers immediately throw a warning that they want you to read. Private texts should NEVER be available to anyone but those who are involved in sending or receiving.
Is that hard to understand? Or maybe Politico is wrong, I just know they are not some right wing news source.
THAT is a naive statement,altho it is a utopian one.....THERE IS NO PRIVACY. Your Cell phone has capabilities (installed by the manufacturer) that ALLOWS exposure in ways U have NO IDEA,unless
you are a "tekkie" and know the work arounds. Do the research, WIRED is a good place to start. Ask
any I T geek and gen. x or y...they have NEVER KNOW a time when cell phones did not exist. They are adroit at accessing ANYTHING/disabling anything.
I admit that I’m struggling to come up with an analogy that would shed some light on the sheer insanity of this moment.
The best analogy I can come up with is the entire population is thrust into the ocean and killer sharks circle, picking off people at will. Scientists figure out a way to build a series of rafts and encourage people to get out of the water and onto the rafts to avoid the sharks. Many do, but others who are swimming in the shark-infested waters decline, saying they are aren't "sheep" and that the sharks aren't real - that they're made up by the left to try and get people onto the rafts.
Even as people in the water are pulled to their deaths by sharks, the crowd in the water is cheering those who choose not to climb onto the rafts. They feel a sense of comradery being in the water together because they're not "sheep" and not all the shark attacks are fatal.
And the people on the raft watch those in the water slowly start to disappear, one by one as the sharks take them.
I read your analogy and it is my opinion that you are analogizing with regard to the Covid vaccine. Is that correct?
Relating your analogy to the topic, DNC Wants to Control... ,
I interpret it in the following manner. The sharks are the democrat operatives that want to access your private emails without your permission. Those in the water cheering, while the shark (Harris - Biden Administration) feast, are those who will not comply with this violation. The people who have climbed onto the rafts are those "sheep" who will accept this usurpation of one's rights. Being herded onto rafts by the sharks they now become a convenient food source for the sharks.
I can only speak for myself.....THIS is my take,anything foreign being introduced into the body, will ALWAYS
have some effect,sooner or later. You flip a coin,what are the odds,then you do the research to find more
facts. Once you have enough facts to understand the ramifications, you make a choice. My problem is
FINAL FDA APPROVAL, why has that not been issued. Man, they usually expedite things and slam them thru
only to RECALL THE DRUG, a couple years later,because of adverse conditions. I take two drugs,HRT(YES
I know the risks after a certain age)the lowest dose possible. Low Dose Diazepam (split in 1/2) for vertigo.
I am 74,have bone spurs in neck,scoliosis,arthritis in my back and hands.wrist AND bulging discs in lower
back... they have recommended several drugs,I elect to NOT take. I am a candidate for back,neck surg.
BUT when I ask for odds, here is the TRUTH...50/50 at best,but the real odds are 1/3 will be better,1/3 will be worse and 1/3 will do NOTHING. Those are terrible odds. NO,surg is not an option,unless I am in great
pain and we all know that pain killers are the "death cross" that no doctor will draw for you
I got the J and J (not happy about that)....SO I did my part for humanity. UNTIL they get full FDA APPROVAL and more time has elapsed to understand the side affects...BOOSTER is out of the question.
ScienceChic wrote: Now you're qualifying it Rick - either a text message is a text message and they should be kept private, or they are subject to accountability. You can't pick and choose which way you want it just because you agree with one instance and not with another.
I believe that if I became a suspect in my wife's murder or some other serious crime, that my text messages could be looked at in order to either prove my innocence or prove my guilt, IF there was a reasonable amount of evidence that I was involved in that crime. The same would go for a private diary or letter I may have sent to someone. But that is not what we are talking aout here. What we are talking about is people looking into private messages that may contain "disinformation". If I post something on facebook that the facebook Nazi's deem as disinformation, they throw a little warning over my post or remove it completely and then ban me for a period of time. Now it appears that some want to be able to do the same thing with my text messages. Will it one day be a crime for me to text lies and disinformation to another person, where someone has the authority to edit or even delete my text because it is deemed inaccurate?
If this was something the RNC and Trump administration was talking about doing, I'm pretyty sure you would have been concerned..
"Trump allied groups, including the Republican National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about THE COVID ORIGIN that is sent over social media and text messages."
You'd really be ok with that?
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
One more thing I forgot to add SC that is a very important difference you should consider... the cell phones of Strzok and Paige were issued to them by the FBI, they were government property. The government is the people, you and me included, and those people work for us. Therefore, nothing on those government devices are private. We have the right to see whatever is on them, especially when they are involved in investigating a private citizen or even a president. Do you disagree with that?
The same thing goes for Hillary Clinton. As soon as we found out that she had a secret server that she used for government business, those emails were fair game for us to look at as her employers. She decided to delete and Bleach Bit all the emails she didn't want anyone to see, and you know damn well that if Trump did something like that there really would be a valid argument for impeachment.
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
Cuba shut down the internet in an attempt to limit demonstrations. Now President Biden wants Facebook to toe the line on what they permit to be posted. Should he create a Facebook Commisar? Meanwhile his press secretary thinks if one internet platform bans you, they all should. 1984? Just a few decades later?
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
FORMER FACEBOOK executive....even in 2019,he recognized the de construction of society,it is now 2021
Q3....how low can we go?......image this....massive meltdown of the web,via solar flares, IT/.chip malfunction,catastrophic natural disaster. WHAT would the world do???